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Old 06-21-2014, 10:21 AM
 
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Changing the laws on drunken driving and wearing seat belts is tyranny?
You should smack yourself in the head, multiple times.

Did I say ANYTHING about tyranny?

If posts are over your head you really should NOT respond.
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Old 06-21-2014, 10:23 AM
 
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Stop it.

Are you claiming to be using logic? If so, you failed.













So let's summarize this thread.

Don't increase taxes for its intended purpose, because the government wastes some of it.

That logic is equivalent to.. don't make laws because people break them. Why even have a government? None of you want it anyway.
Are you claiming to be using logic? If so, you failed.
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Old 06-21-2014, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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You want people who make so little that they qualify for subsidized mass transit passes to pay more to get to work or school so they're even less likely to claw their way out of poverty?

You choose to have a car, you choose to pay for those costs. Don't like paying them? Get rid of your car. Can't get rid of your car because mass transit stinks where you live and if you don't have one you can't get around? Well, life's tough isn't it? Maybe you should start pushing for more mass transit.

Once again, conservative ideology just reeks of hypocrisy.
Awww, would you like a tissue? As I said, people that drive are often poor as well. Why, on top of paying for their own fuel, fuel tax, license, registration, vehicle and maintenance, should they be expected to subsidize mass transit riders? Are you REALLY going to try to make the case that all the riders on say NY subways are too poor to carry their own weight? All those people working in financial institutions, law offices and major business headquarters should be subsidized by janitors, factory workers and teachers, working in areas that typically pay far less, should have to pay more, so urban transit riders can pay only what, $10 for a ride across town? No...it's way past time for these urban whiners to pay their own way. Or even worse, that the guy with a $1000 bicycle wants them to pay for a bike path, used by a fraction of a percent of the population, so he can ride his toy on it? Again, not just NO, but F NO.

Once again, liberal ideology just reeks of hypocrisy. And greed. And laziness. And self-entitlement. Not exactly a surprise.

I'm not opposed to paying more for gas tax, it is appropriate to treat it as a "user fee" to be the sole source of funding of highways. But first, that fund can not be wasted on items outside of highways/roads, and must be spent in the most cost effective manner. No "union only" or "minority preferences", only the lowest bidder gets awarded the contract. And again, no prevailing wage mandate. Spending $30 an hour for someone to hold a sign is not a wise or responsible use of taxpayer money. No subsidizing urban mass transit fares, or the ferry system by rich Whidbey Islanders so they get a cheap ride to Seattle (or pick your city). No gas tax for the Corvette museum.
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Old 06-21-2014, 07:11 PM
 
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Why should the gas tax be used to subsidize large corporation taxes instead of building/maintains the roads and bridges? I ask because Congress is exactly trying to do that... So it begs the question, are the supporters dumb enough to not know what is actually in the bill... Apparently, yes....
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Old 06-24-2014, 11:17 AM
 
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The government already takes in about 50% of the money we pay for gas when you account for the fact that they get gas tax, tax on corporate profits, property tax, excise tax as well as tax monies on the salaries paid workers plus a host of others.

Yet these are the same government officials who when gas prices spiked managed to pin the issue on the oil companies whose profits were around 3% of the amount paid.

Hawaii at the time proposed legislation capping gas prices because thiers were the highest and they were being cheated by the oil companies.....then someone pointed out they had the highest gas taxes.

Tell ya what, jack up the gas taxes and just blame the oil companies again....the people are morons, they'll fall for it again.
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:49 AM
 
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Spoken like a delusional conservative who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. You know who I'm talking about. The dumb tard who always believes politicians when they refuse to list which programs they'd actually cut and instead claims that just cutting "waste" will some how magically balance the budget. That's a dodge designed to fool stupid people and only stupid people are dumb enough to fall for it. You might get 1%-2% of the budget on "waste" depending on what we define as waste but the reality is we need 20%-30% cuts in the budget (or off setting tax increases) to balance the budget so just going after so called waste isn't going to cut it.

Yes, the deficit is going down with the economy improving and has been going down for years but to truly balance it major programs will have to be cut in a dramatic way and that includes our bloated military budget which makes up a full 50% of the discretionary budget.
You lost the discussion when you start with the insults. I worked for the government as a subcontractor on road construction. We just wasted money like there was no end to it and there never was an end to the money. Cost overuns were a way of life and the gov. reps. just laughed about it.

The massive spending on welfare programs tops 1 trillion dollars with little if any success. We have higher poverty rates now than we did back in the early 1960's before the "Great Society" programs were put in place. They have all failed.

At the end of the day big government has failed here and around the world.
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Old 11-16-2014, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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Oh no.
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Old 11-16-2014, 12:04 PM
 
Location: NJ
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A bump at the pump? Senators propose a 12-cent hike in federal gas tax. - The Washington Post

This is desperately needed. Considering it took 20 years since the last one maybe they should index it to inflation while they're at it.
Really?

Since when has the dedicated gas tax been used for its marketed purpose.

It is not satisfying to hand over more money to a federal government that has historically demonstrated colossal waste and inefficient use of the tax money already collected.

NO to a gas tax hike. You couldn't seee this coming with gas prices taking a dive. As soon as the tax would be implemented watch the gas prices go up. What a co ink a dink!

Being for a tax increase is demonstrated proof of the Gruber theory.
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Old 11-16-2014, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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When will somebody propose a tax on electricity used as vehicle fuel? The TAX-O-METER could be hooked up to the charging line so that all power used to charge a vehicle would be properly taxed. The user would have to insert their debit or credit card to activate the charge line and pay the tax.
Plus a processing fee, of course.
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Old 11-16-2014, 04:13 PM
 
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Quit funding roads with the gas tax and go to a mileage tax. Electri cars, which right-wingers hate, don't pay gas tax. Also, many of the lanes are not necessary outside peak hours. A mileage tax could levy higher rates during rush hour.
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