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Old 05-13-2014, 08:47 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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When the government gets involved, even at the state level, things end up costing many times more than they should, fleecing the treasuries of other peoples money, along with providing bogus below par services with their involvement.

All one has to do, is look at the Veterans Administration and their government run healthcare.
Neglect, corruption and cover-up, with certain death panels.

Then look at the cost of public school and the cost of private school.
We are taxed out the ass, for public education. I'm even taxed additionally for Community colleges.
They spend an average of $20,000 per student, with graduation rates in the 60%, of those that do graduate, only 22% of them are college bound.
Compare that to Private Christian school education.
Each parent here spends between $300 & $700 a month. $4000-$9000 a year spent on each child's education.
They graduate 100% of their class, of which 98% are college bound.


Tell me if the government does a better job than the private sector, that is doing it on their own, without the government involvement and all the bureaucracy, grabbing at the cash that could be spent by We The People, on much better and productive things.
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Old 05-13-2014, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yup..CC required many financial changes in schools and Uncle Sam didn't give them the money to do it.
CC also requires the new testing all be done online.
You think every school in the US is set up for online testing ?
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Old 05-13-2014, 08:48 AM
 
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When the government gets involved, even at the state level, things end up costing many times more than they should, fleecing the treasuries of other peoples money, along with providing bogus below par services with their involvement.

All one has to do, is look at the Veterans Administration and their government run healthcare.
Neglect, corruption and cover-up, with certain death panels.

Then look at the cost of public school and the cost of private school.
We are taxed out the ass, for public education. I'm even taxed additionally for Community colleges.
They spend an average of $20,000 per student, with graduation rates in the 60%, of those that do graduate, only 22% of them are college bound.
Compare that to Private Christian school education.
Each parent here spends between $300 & $700 a month. $4000-$9000 a year spent on each child's education.
They graduate 100% of their class, of which 98% are college bound.


Tell me if the government does a better job than the private sector, that is doing it on their own, without the government involvement and all the bureaucracy, grabbing at the cash that could be spent by We The People, on much better and productive things.
and the parents pay taxes in addition to tuition.
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Old 05-13-2014, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I am receiving care at the Manchester, NH Veteran's hospital. The quality of the service and the medical care is excellent without any substantial wait and courteous service.

Public schools have to attempt to educate everyone including the disruptive little thugs and grandstanding anti social wise asses. Private schools, like the public schools in the 50's, do not. Very likely private religious schools have to graduate everybody or the next year's kids would stop coming. Besides teaching religious absurdity with scientific observation and rational thought is mutually exclusive.

How many of the "We the people" would be wasting their excess cash on beer, booze and religious scams anyway.
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Old 05-13-2014, 08:58 AM
 
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I am receiving care at the Manchester, NH Veteran's hospital. The quality of the service and the medical care is excellent without any substantial wait and courteous service.

Public schools have to attempt to educate everyone including the disruptive little thugs and grandstanding anti social wise asses. Private schools, like the public schools in the 50's, do not. Very likely private religious schools have to graduate everybody or the next year's kids would stop coming. Besides teaching religious absurdity with scientific observation and rational thought is mutually exclusive.

How many of the "We the people" would be wasting their excess cash on beer, booze and religious scams anyway.
All acceptable arguments except the religious part- not all private schools are religious.

Parents should have access to any school they want to send their children too.
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Old 05-13-2014, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I am receiving care at the Manchester, NH Veteran's hospital. The quality of the service and the medical care is excellent without any substantial wait and courteous service.

Public schools have to attempt to educate everyone including the disruptive little thugs and grandstanding anti social wise asses. Private schools, like the public schools in the 50's, do not. Very likely private religious schools have to graduate everybody or the next year's kids would stop coming. Besides teaching religious absurdity with scientific observation and rational thought is mutually exclusive.

How many of the "We the people" would be wasting their excess cash on beer, booze and religious scams anyway.
I went to a Catholic school...K-12.
Not only did we learn about Darwin and evolution in Science class but we also studied all the religions of the world in Religion class.

Don't believe the propaganda being sold by a few extremists that religious schools don't teach science.
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Old 05-13-2014, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Private schools can turn away anyone, public schools cannot. Personally I think we just need to restructure our schools where a teacher stays with the same group of students for several years so that teacher can best monitor the learning rate of their students directly.

There is a charter school in Portland that does that and the rate of learning that I have seen first hand has been amazing.
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Old 05-13-2014, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Private schools can turn away anyone, public schools cannot. Personally I think we just need to restructure our schools where a teacher stays with the same group of students for several years so that teacher can best monitor the learning rate of their students directly.

There is a charter school in Portland that does that and the rate of learning that I have seen first hand has been amazing.
You'd have to restructure the entire education of teachers because they don't get training for K-12.

Once in middle school teachers are content qualified.
I'm certified in Math 4-8 and Math 8-12.

And most teachers have a preference for the grades they like to teach and are good at.
I prefer MS and HS to elementary.
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Old 05-13-2014, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I am receiving care at the Manchester, NH Veteran's hospital. The quality of the service and the medical care is excellent without any substantial wait and courteous service.

Public schools have to attempt to educate everyone including the disruptive little thugs and grandstanding anti social wise asses. Private schools, like the public schools in the 50's, do not. Very likely private religious schools have to graduate everybody or the next year's kids would stop coming. Besides teaching religious absurdity with scientific observation and rational thought is mutually exclusive.

How many of the "We the people" would be wasting their excess cash on beer, booze and religious scams anyway.
You're using one Veterans Hospital as an example? The VA is a disgrace. The claims that our Veterans are waiting for is the exact opposite of what you describe. Our veterans deserve better.
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Old 05-13-2014, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You'd have to restructure the entire education of teachers because they don't get training for K-12.

Once in middle school teachers are content qualified.
I'm certified in Math 4-8 and Math 8-12.

And most teachers have a preference for the grades they like to teach and are good at.
I prefer MS and HS to elementary.
They don't have to be K-12, K-6 would be a massive improvement and something as a country we should be moving towards.
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