Is waterboarding torture (Congress, Pelosi, suspect, revolution)
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Wouldn't anything the person being interrogated dislikes be torture?
If you REALLY dislike fingernails on a blackboard, would it be torture if it was repeatedly done in front of you???
If you find a half naked woman offensive,would it be torture to have one interrogate you?
Would eating beef in front of a Hindu be considered torture?
Thats annoying someone or defying their beliefs. To me I find Fox News annoying and would use torture as a metaphor to describe how I feel about it.
There is a big difference between this and almost killing them.
How about this. If continuing the tactic results in them passing out from pain, or dying, or developing a medical condition, then yes it probably is torture. I agree with Republicans on very little, but I do believe McCain has this right.
How about this. If continuing the tactic results in them passing out from pain, or dying, or developing a medical condition, then yes it probably is torture. I agree with Republicans on very little, but I do believe McCain has this right.
Then waterboarding doesn't fit your definition of torture.
I think waterboarding is on the ragged edge,it doesn't meet the definition because it causes no lasting effects.
Is keeping a person awake for lengths of time torture?
We take them back to their cell and then we murder them. But only after we waterboard, rape, make them pose for perverted pictures, unleash dogs on them, crack their ribs, electrocute and beat them to a pulp.
Is that official U.S. policy? Take them back to their cell and murder them? No, it isn't. Several in the military have been sentenced to prison for doing that.
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Incidents like the above are the exception, not the rule. And don't apply to 99% of the U.S. troops.
Incidents lke the above also happened during WWII and other wars, but that does not become the focal point of the war.
And I'll repeat... anyone in the U.S. military who wrongfully kills someone is prosecuted, so stop making out like the U.S. military is "evil," or "kill-happy."
Then waterboarding doesn't fit your definition of torture.
I think waterboarding is on the ragged edge,it doesn't meet the definition because it causes no lasting effects.
Is keeping a person awake for lengths of time torture?
If it is continued for a minute or two, it can kill them. Either by drowning or if some water gets into the lungs they can get a nice infection. I had pnuemonia 10 years ago (which can be caused by aspiration of fluids) and I still feel the effects.
I'm not familiar with the effects of sleep deprivation, but I'm betting that it causes some irreversable brain damage over time, as well as damage to other systems that aren't able to recover over a good nights sleep.
Is that official U.S. policy? Take them back to their cell and murder them? No, it isn't. Several in the military have been sentenced to prison for doing that.
Incidents like the above are the exception, not the rule. And don't apply to 99% of the U.S. troops.
Incidents lke the above also happened during WWII and other wars, but that does not become the focal point of the war.
And I'll repeat... anyone in the U.S. military who wrongfully kills someone is prosecuted, so stop making out like the U.S. military is "evil," or "kill-happy."
Here's a question though. How do those make us look overseas with other countries? Does that inspire cooperation out of fear? Does it inspire more terrorists out of spite.
Do the prisoners get a fair punishment or a slap on the wrist? How does it look to other countries whose help we need in finding terrorists?
99% is not good enough unfortunately. That 1% makes life a lot more dangerous for the other 99% that are overseas. (yes I'm aware its probably less than 1%, but hopefully you get the point)
If you really want to win the war on terror we need to create allies, not alienate them. Any torture or lack of disclosure and we can be made out to be the police state, the big brother that everyone fears.
Here's a question though. How do those make us look overseas with other countries? Does that inspire cooperation out of fear? Does it inspire more terrorists out of spite.
Let me try to be clear on this -
With all respect, when one of our troops picks up the body parts - multiple body parts of one of their comrades, that was Hacked up by one of the enemy - sliced and diced - their guts cut out - their eyeballs plucked out - and our guys capture the "bad guy" - frankly, I don't blame our guys for making a mistake once in a while. AND, I don't care what you think of them -
With all respect, when one of our troops picks up the body parts - multiple body parts of one of their comrades, that was Hacked up by one of the enemy - sliced and diced - their guts cut out - their eyeballs plucked out - and our guys capture the "bad guy" - frankly, I don't blame our guys for making a mistake once in a while. AND, I don't care what you think of them -
OK, I'm off my soapbox now
And when one of our troops gets captured by a bad guy, whose seen his comrades die in every which way, do you blame him for getting a little revenge on our soldiers?
It's a slippery slope you go hurling yourself down when we start condoning this stuff. We all know its war, and bad things will happen, and otherwise decent people could lower themselves to the sadism of torture under such an environment. But that's why its important to make our official stance so overwhelmingly clear.
When you do the wink, nod and laugh about whether we torture, and then get cute with trying to define what is is, you invite the kinds of gross abuses we have seen the past 7 years.
I will never think its good enough to compare the actions of my country men with the most vile, uncivilized regimes in the world and think "eh, at least we're not that bad."
And when one of our troops gets captured by a bad guy, whose seen his comrades die in every which way, do you blame him for getting a little revenge on our soldiers?
We do not "slice and dice"! In fact, our guys actually recover the bodies of the enemy, and treat them with respect -
We do not "slice and dice"! In fact, our guys actually recover the bodies of the enemy, and treat them with respect -
The other side does not -
Review the last sentence of my post.
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