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However Hollywood does discriminate against open Christians and conservatives. This has been well documented countless times and you can research it yourself. If you are an open Christian or express Christian beliefs, you will have a hard time finding employment in the industry. Same goes for conservatives. It will be hard to find someone to fund and produce your films.
There are a lot of Christians and conservatives in Hollywood, but most of them keep it on the down-low and simply don't talk about it. There are a few who are can because they are established, but aside from that you rarely ever see an actor or director express a Christian or conservative belief. 90%+ of the time it's liberal or atheistic/secular.
Hell there is even a group in Hollywood called The Friends of Abe, which was founded by conservative actors and a directors as a group to help other conservatives from the liberal bias in Hollywood.
Really? Then why do so many actors & actresses thank G-d in their acceptance speeches?
And since you're claiming a bias against ANY religious people, did you miss the memo that the Jews "run" Hollywood? As a Jewish person myself, I can confirm that stereotype isn't exactly untrue. LOL
Ill give you that one then. Personally, if it were me, Id say sure but I would not add certain things to the cake that would acknowledge gay marriage. That though, would probably not sit well with them and we'd be in the same situation. Id most likely bake a cake for any respectful customer, but there are things I would refuse to put on or decorate the cake with.
What exactly on a cake would "acknowledge gay marriage?" I've been to about 6-7 weddings in the last few years (for straight couples), and not a single cake acknowledged their heterosexuality... people don't even use cake toppers much anymore, unless it's a funny or sentimental one. Just went to an Orthodox Jewish wedding over the weekend, and the cake had nothing but sugar flowers & silk ribbons.
But if we're talking about the actual content of the cake, you probably WOULD have the right to say no. They can say "we don't do that kind of design," but saying "we do that type of cake, just not for YOU" is where it becomes discriminatory. Do you see the difference there?
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Having said that, as bad as it may seem, I do believe businesses should have any right to refuse service. Let the market decide once word gets out, if they stay open or not. Not government.
We tried that (prior to the 1950s-60s) and it failed. Aren't we supposed to learn from history, so it doesn't repeat itself? Believe me - I wish I could support your position here, since I'm definitely of the libertarian mindset when it comes to personal freedoms. But we're not talking about a personal freedom here, we are talking about the public's right to be served equally... and as history has shown, there will always be a marginalized group suffering when "unrestricted freedoms" are granted to public-serving businesses.
A wedding cake, is a wedding cake, is a wedding cake.
No it isn't. To you it's just a cake but to others in society including but not limited to the religious who believe that marriage is traditional and only a man and a woman, a wedding cake is something special that remains exclusively for the ceremony joining a man and woman in marriage. Holy matrimony. For anything else it is “just a cake” but by no means whatsoever will it ever be a “wedding” cake. A man/man or woman/woman is not marriage traditional or otherwise no matter how much you stamp your feet, wave a piece of paper around, or hold your breath until your faces turn blue. You can not force or bully everyone in society either but you sure enjoy bullying the religious bakery, photographer or inn. It’s more important for you to bully, force, kick the teeth in, teach them a lesson and shut them down because they dared to not recognize your so-called homosexualized “marriage” and have the audacity to believe in traditional marriage only. The icing on the cake for you is that their religious beliefs must be defiled in order to satisfy your demands and they refuse.
If you don’t like the religious baker, photographer or inn then why go there?
No it isn't. To you it's just a cake but to others in society including but not limited to the religious who believe that marriage is traditional and only a man and a woman, a wedding cake is something special that remains exclusively for the ceremony joining a man and woman in marriage. Holy matrimony. For anything else it is “just a cake” but by no means whatsoever will it ever be a “wedding” cake. A man/man or woman/woman is not marriage traditional or otherwise no matter how much you stamp your feet, wave a piece of paper around, or hold your breath until your faces turn blue. You can not force or bully everyone in society either but you sure enjoy bullying the religious bakery, photographer or inn. It’s more important for you to bully, force, kick the teeth in, teach them a lesson and shut them down because they dared to not recognize your so-called homosexualized “marriage” and have the audacity to believe in traditional marriage only. The icing on the cake for you is that their religious beliefs must be defiled in order to satisfy your demands and they refuse.
If you don’t like the religious baker, photographer or inn then than why go there?
The cake is not involved in the wedding ceremony. The cake is present at the reception AFTER the wedding ceremony.
No it isn't. To you it's just a cake but to others in society including but not limited to the religious who believe that marriage is traditional and only a man and a woman, a wedding cake is something special that remains exclusively for the ceremony joining a man and woman in marriage. Holy matrimony. For anything else it is “just a cake” but by no means whatsoever will it ever be a “wedding” cake. A man/man or woman/woman is not marriage traditional or otherwise no matter how much you stamp your feet, wave a piece of paper around, or hold your breath until your faces turn blue. You can not force or bully everyone in society either but you sure enjoy bullying the religious bakery, photographer or inn. It’s more important for you to bully, force, kick the teeth in, teach them a lesson and shut them down because they dared to not recognize your so-called homosexualized “marriage” and have the audacity to believe in traditional marriage only. The icing on the cake for you is that their religious beliefs must be defiled in order to satisfy your demands and they refuse.
If you don’t like the religious baker, photographer or inn then why go there?
No it isn't. To you it's just a cake but to others in society including but not limited to the religious who believe that marriage is traditional and only a man and a woman, a wedding cake is something special that remains exclusively for the ceremony joining a man and woman in marriage.
To me, books and music are sacred. Still doesn't change the fact that I must allow ANY patron to borrow ANY book, regardless of how I feel they will view or use it. As long as they're not physically damaging it, I am in no place to dictate who should be allowed to use these "sacred" books. What if an Atheist wanted to borrow the Bible (yes, we do carry them at the library) just to make fun of it, or to use in a speech against Christianity & Judaism? Should I be allowed to refuse borrowing privileges to them?
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If you don’t like the religious baker, photographer or inn then why go there?
In some cases (like the famous baker story) they DID like the business - at least what they normally provide, and in the case of that baker, how they did on the mother's wedding cake. And even if they didn't like their work, or chose to go elsewhere, does that excuse a business violating the law? If everyone in history had just "gone somewhere they were wanted" instead of fighting injustices, what would society look like today? I'm guessing black people would still be sitting in the back of buses, women wouldn't be hired even in jobs for which they were highly qualified, etc. So I say good for them!
FYI: I am a religious(ish) person, before you go saying I hate people with religious beliefs. And even as someone who practices religion, I don't think our personal beliefs should be used to discriminate against other groups. I also don't see how baking a cake violates these beliefs, just as I don't feel I'm violating my beliefs by letting a neo-Nazi borrow books from my library. Does that mean I'm endorsing Nazism?
No it isn't. To you it's just a cake but to others in society including but not limited to the religious who believe that marriage is traditional and only a man and a woman, a wedding cake is something special that remains exclusively for the ceremony joining a man and woman in marriage. Holy matrimony. For anything else it is “just a cake” but by no means whatsoever will it ever be a “wedding” cake. A man/man or woman/woman is not marriage traditional or otherwise no matter how much you stamp your feet, wave a piece of paper around, or hold your breath until your faces turn blue. You can not force or bully everyone in society either but you sure enjoy bullying the religious bakery, photographer or inn. It’s more important for you to bully, force, kick the teeth in, teach them a lesson and shut them down because they dared to not recognize your so-called homosexualized “marriage” and have the audacity to believe in traditional marriage only. The icing on the cake for you is that their religious beliefs must be defiled in order to satisfy your demands and they refuse.
If you don’t like the religious baker, photographer or inn then why go there?
I am still curious how someone makes a cake gay, I didn't realize they were made with a sexual orientation.
No it isn't. To you it's just a cake but to others in society including but not limited to the religious who believe that marriage is traditional and only a man and a woman, a wedding cake is something special that remains exclusively for the ceremony joining a man and woman in marriage. Holy matrimony. For anything else it is “just a cake” but by no means whatsoever will it ever be a “wedding” cake. A man/man or woman/woman is not marriage traditional or otherwise no matter how much you stamp your feet, wave a piece of paper around, or hold your breath until your faces turn blue. You can not force or bully everyone in society either but you sure enjoy bullying the religious bakery, photographer or inn. It’s more important for you to bully, force, kick the teeth in, teach them a lesson and shut them down because they dared to not recognize your so-called homosexualized “marriage” and have the audacity to believe in traditional marriage only. The icing on the cake for you is that their religious beliefs must be defiled in order to satisfy your demands and they refuse.
If you don’t like the religious baker, photographer or inn then why go there?
They're cheap? They're good at what they do? The happy couple has a coupon? To make a statement? Doesn't matter.
No it isn't. To you it's just a cake but to others in society including but not limited to the religious who believe that marriage is traditional and only a man and a woman, a wedding cake is something special ...
Yes, its a straw that you continue to grasp at.
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