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Old 01-30-2014, 07:47 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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As great as this idea is, in today's world work put in does not necessarily correlate to money returned. For example, a fast food worker works much harder than, say, Kim Kardashian. And yet, who gets paid more?
Kim kardashian worked harder to become famous and manage herself as a brand, it didn't just "happen" to her. Your model would mean a ditch digger should be paid more than a brain surgeon.

Working with your brain is harder than working with your back.

 
Old 01-30-2014, 07:56 PM
 
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Kim Kardashian is, and should be paid far more, as the revenue generated by her far exceeds a fast food workers revenue generated. In addition, it is strictly a supply-demand function. If you lose a fast food worker, anyone would be able to do that job. Not true in entertainment,or in professional fields.
Maybe this is true in other certain cases, but not this one. If Kim Kardashian were to die tomorrow (DISCLAIMER: I don't wish death on anyone, her included), the media would mourn for her for a couple months, then find some other rich model-type or celebrity from an extremely wealthy neighborhood and put them in the spotlight. Celebrities are easier to find than you'd think.

And she doesn't generate revenue by her own work, her generation of revenue was somehow bestowed upon her thanks to the condition she was born in. It was not earned, it was given.
 
Old 01-30-2014, 08:00 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Maybe this is true in other certain cases, but not this one. If Kim Kardashian were to die tomorrow (DISCLAIMER: I don't wish death on anyone, her included), the media would mourn for her for a couple months, then find some other rich model-type or celebrity from an extremely wealthy neighborhood and put them in the spotlight. Celebrities are easier to find than you'd think.

And she doesn't generate revenue by her own work, her generation of revenue was somehow bestowed upon her thanks to the condition she was born in. It was not earned, it was given.
You seem that have a disconnect as to how people like her become famous and earn the money they do. It isn't just magic or being born. The vast vast vast majority of people that are born into affluence do not become mega rich. She worked what she had, developed a skill that was in demand and was successful. Just like someone that is 7ft tall and because super rich in the nba. They worked what they had, developed a skill that was in demand and became successful.
 
Old 01-30-2014, 08:02 PM
 
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You have obviously never held a high level management job.

and YES, most CEO's EARN exactly what they make just as a MLB or NFL player make exactly what they are worth. Just like the burger flipper and the salesman and the retail clerk.

You may not like that, but class envy won't change that. Don't like it? Get better. Work harder. Take on a 2nd job. Educate yourself in your free time. yes, that free time might be from 10pm-1am with a 6am-5pm job and a PT job from 6pm -8pm. You may not see your family very much.

Thats how it goes. THAT is how people get out. Get ahead to eventually live the dream.

I'm guessing you've never put that kind of time and effort in. Probably never owned or run a business. News flash. Most all of those rich guys that people like you hate, put in time and effort like that. They didn't just wake up on 3rd base. They weren't just miracled up there.

The problem is, none of you were there to see us/them working until 2am and sleeping on the floor at the office. It's the dirty little secret that the class warfare peddlers and the MSNBC dolts don't want the uninformed to know about.

They don't want equal opportunity. They want EQUAL RESULTS. Sorry, it doesn't and shouldn't work that way.


Now, that's not to say some of these golden parachute deals aren't out of control, because they are. But overall, the free market is THE BEST system in the history of mankind and there is nothing even close.



Sorry, but the world needs ditch diggers too.
you'd be guessing completely wrong about me.lol

and no the world doesnt need ditch diggers anymore.
 
Old 01-30-2014, 08:04 PM
 
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you'd be guessing completely wrong about me.lol

and no the world doesnt need ditch diggers anymore.
Who is going to dig the ditches then?
 
Old 01-30-2014, 08:11 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Maybe this is true in other certain cases, but not this one. If Kim Kardashian were to die tomorrow (DISCLAIMER: I don't wish death on anyone, her included), the media would mourn for her for a couple months, then find some other rich model-type or celebrity from an extremely wealthy neighborhood and put them in the spotlight. Celebrities are easier to find than you'd think.

And she doesn't generate revenue by her own work, her generation of revenue was somehow bestowed upon her thanks to the condition she was born in. It was not earned, it was given.

There are other celebs for sure, but those that generate mega millions, are at most, a couple thousand. Fast food workers replacements, lets see must have 4 working limbs, there are about 150 million.

More supply in fast food = no wage pressure.
 
Old 01-30-2014, 08:11 PM
 
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Who is going to dig the ditches then?
ditch digging machines
 
Old 01-30-2014, 08:12 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Working with your brain is harder than working with your back.
Having done both, the latter as a teen, I can fully vouch for that statement.
 
Old 01-30-2014, 08:15 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I did not know Legos dug ditches.

Who do you think operated the machines?
Guess what machine will be used when your sewer line breaks at your house leading out to the street
Here is the answer for you
 
Old 01-30-2014, 08:16 PM
 
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Working hard <> producing value.
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