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Old 08-07-2013, 08:17 AM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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guessed you missed the entire George W bush presidency and its absolute incompetence/malfeasants and the resulting mess Obama (or anyone who was elected) had to try and clean up

worst domestic attack on the continental U.S. (check)
worst economic disaster since the Great Depression (check)
worst response to a natural disaster (check)

anything I missed regarding W's reign?

and yes I would love for Hillary to be elected in 2016, because she will whole-heartedly embrace the fight with the radical Republican party that has evolved since the election of our first black president...
Kicking Democrats out of the judicial system.
Outing Valerie Plame.
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Old 08-07-2013, 08:18 AM
 
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Note the above- Another liberal who will vote for four more years of continued economic misery via liberal policy. I guess a lib will be happy being impoverished and homeless, as long as there is gay marriage.


Blame Bush

I did not like Bush, as he was a liberal. However, the nation was far better off under Bush than Obama.

Obama-

1. Worst response to a disaster - Gulf oil spill
2. 7% decline in incomes
3. 40% decline in personal savings
4. highest number of unemployed in US history
5. 50 million on foodstamps
6. only part time jobs created
7. using drones to kill US citizens
8. unrestricted NSA surveilance of US citizens
9. IRS and Benghazi scandals
10. Fast and Furious
11. war on coal
12. no drilling on federal lands
13. Obamacare
14. increased EPA regulations
15. cities and states going bankrupt
16. expansion of wars in the middle east

Bush was a liberal. However, he was far better than Obama.

90% of your superfluous list was started or came about because of W! Please recognize!

If you’re saying Obama has not done enough, quickly enough, to mitigate Bush’s disasters; well then I agree to a certain degree. However, you have to factor in the reactionary, obstructive Republican party in that equation, which you clearly have not…
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Old 08-07-2013, 08:20 AM
 
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If you’re saying Obama has not done enough, quickly enough, to mitigate Bush’s disasters; well then I agree to a certain degree. However, you have to factor in the reactionary, obstructive Republican party in that equation, which you clearly have not…
Part of the problem is that he has no power. The nihilist GOP only want to defeat his agenda; that's all they care about. And the Dems are just spineless losers with no discipline. Congress is divided. The result is a weak president. I don't see much changing thru the rest of his tenure. The Dems surely are not taking back the house in 2014 and the GOP aren't gonna change their ways.
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Old 08-07-2013, 08:23 AM
 
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Eh, 2014 is gonna be rough for the Dems. They'll probably lose seats in the Senate and the House. There are a number of factors working against them, and it's going to be ugly. Maybe not as ugly as 2010 since there's less overall to lose, but ugly it will be.
I'm not convinced. Democrats learned the hard way in 2010. We understand what we have to do.

And the GOP is going to wind up with almost all of its candidates from the lunatic fringe, since those are the only ones who can win a primary. Which makes the center voters that HistorianDude talks about even more likely to vote Dem.
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Old 08-07-2013, 08:28 AM
 
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I'm not convinced. Democrats learned the hard way in 2010. We understand what we have to do.

And the GOP is going to wind up with almost all of its candidates from the lunatic fringe, since those are the only ones who can win a primary. Which makes the center voters that HistorianDude talks about even more likely to vote Dem.
The first problem is that redistricting after the disastrous 2010 election has just about sealed the House for the GOP. (I don't see that changing until at least 2022 when the next redistricting occurs.) Then you've got Democratic Senators in red states who act like DINOs just to save their own hides. Finally, voters are less disciplined in off-year elections when there isn't something to vote against. This happened in 1994, 2006 and 2010.

No doubt that some idiot gooper will shoot off his mouth again, mutter something about rape and god, and blow a golden opportunity. That's Republican tradition during the last couple cycles. But it won't change the power balance in Washington.
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Old 08-07-2013, 08:31 AM
 
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And the GOP is going to wind up with almost all of its candidates from the lunatic fringe, since those are the only ones who can win a primary.
I agree, I feel like the GOP could have a chance but it's almost like they are punking us. They can't give us a quality candidate; they bring forth this extremists who care more about what's going on in our bedroom and our uterus than fixing the economy and jobs. Candidates who are more interested in pushing their "religious values" on us. Maybe if they'd focus on bringing the country together instead of forcing tea party extremist values because "God told them" more people could take them seriously.

For the record, I don't support Dems either. I don't like either of the parties, and I feel they are in it for themselves. Like they say, different sh**, same pile.
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Old 08-07-2013, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Montgomery Village
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1. We can't have 4 more years of Obama. Term limits.

2. The problem Republicans have is they draw the wrong conclusions.

Example: "We lost the election".
Their conclusion: "The majority are stupid and are voting for handouts."
The Reality: "We put up candidates that are objectively and indefensibly worse than anything the Democrats are offering. And Then we proceed to insult the majority of the country in the most backhanded ways possible the entire campaign. And expect to win."

3. Funny how these lists of scandals that Republicans bring about don't include the NSA issue anymore. But it does include Benghazi. Well they voted to keep the surveillance intact so lets sweep that under the carpet. But no, Benghazi, only Top republicans knew what that entire thing was about but let's place all the blame on the Administration because they can only say so much about a top secret CIA operation.

4. Republicans are poising to do the exact same thing in 2014 and 2016. You have effectively lost the middle.
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Old 08-07-2013, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Montgomery Village
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One thing Bush and Obama did successfully, thanks to the worlds ever growing connectivity and information dispersal: Showing how being President is the most Thankless job in the world. It's almost like signing up to be the national whipping boy.
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Old 08-07-2013, 08:37 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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The country has a majority of uninformed, programmed, ignorant (pick the shoe that fits) a socialist leaning population. They look to see which side their bread is buttered and vote accordingly.
that is true. people vote what is better for self. not what is better for country. However, not once do I ever believe there is a difference between Obama/bush. they dance to the same tune. $$$$$$$$
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Old 08-07-2013, 08:39 AM
 
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However, not once do I ever believe there is a difference between Obama/bush. they dance to the same tune. $$$$$$$$
Ridiculous, especially on social and healthcare issues. For one thing, Obama reversed Bush's profoundly stupid policy on stem cell research.
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