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Old 06-20-2013, 10:04 AM
 
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There seems to be an element in the Jodi Arias trail that is bringing out the viciousness of Americans. I just watched an investigative id show where 3 Hell's Angels viciously killed a woman who rather naively went to their clubhouse. One of the killers got 20 years, another who cut a deal got 5 years probation.

You have the Nightstalker who tortured and killed scores of women in jail for life.

So what exactly did Jodi do that was so heinous? She was in a relationship with someone she was madly in love with, who was just using her as a kinky sex toy, while telling her at the same time that she was not good enough to marry. Is that a wise thing to do to a woman? If she snapped, does that make her a danger to society? No, but maybe it makes her a danger to self indulgent a-holes that want to use and abuse women.
"So what exactly did Jodi do that was so heinous" She methodically and viciously murdered someone. Sorry if that escaped you.Just because you found examples of murderers who were not sentenced to die, does not mean that none of them should be. I say give the death penalty to all of these types of people, they are not fit to live among us.
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Old 06-20-2013, 10:38 AM
 
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The murder he is trying to equate to Jodi's case was on ID last night. It's about a latino woman, that was a saint according to the portrayal on the show. She lived for her children and everybody loved her. This night, she leaves her kids alone to go to a party. About 2 am she is seen going into a store by a Hells Angel who invites her to another party. She goes with him to the club house. She had already drank too much before they got there, but she drinks more. The leader of the clubhouse takes liberties with her, assuming she's easy, and she mouths off, insulting him and the club. She gets punched, and ends up getting beaten by a group. She dies, they dump her body.
Jodi Arias was and is a psycho. Her victim was a sweet guy, who was gruesomely killed for trying to drop her and get on with his life.
No comparison.
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Old 06-20-2013, 10:42 AM
 
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To me what the OP's question is getting at is the differences in sentencing across cases and across states.

Sometimes I watch those Lockup Raw programs on MSNBC, and I'm always horrified when they show some lifer in prison for crimes like robbery in which no one was even killed. Or even worse 20 years for nothing but drug trafficking. Or a woman sentenced to 25 years simply because she drove the car after someone else committed a murder. And then you'll hear about a child molester who rapes a child, and is out on parole in 5 years.

I think sentencing should be the standardized in some way, and that violent crimes against children especially should have high sentences across the board, and crimes for drugs should be eliminated or reduced to clear our prisons.
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Old 06-20-2013, 10:44 AM
 
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There seems to be an element in the Jodi Arias trail that is bringing out the viciousness of Americans. I just watched an investigative id show where 3 Hell's Angels viciously killed a woman who rather naively went to their clubhouse. One of the killers got 20 years, another who cut a deal got 5 years probation.

You have the Nightstalker who tortured and killed scores of women in jail for life.

So what exactly did Jodi do that was so heinous? She was in a relationship with someone she was madly in love with, who was just using her as a kinky sex toy, while telling her at the same time that she was not good enough to marry. Is that a wise thing to do to a woman? If she snapped, does that make her a danger to society? No, but maybe it makes her a danger to self indulgent a-holes that want to use and abuse women.
The Nightstalker got the Death Penalty. He was still alive thanks to years of appeals. He was in CA, Arias is in AZ. Very different ways to deal with the DP.

And you really have to ask what was so heinous about her crime? And you actually think her boyfriend deserved what he got?
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Old 06-20-2013, 10:47 AM
 
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The murder he is trying to equate to Jodi's case was on ID last night. It's about a latino woman, that was a saint according to the portrayal on the show. She lived for her children and everybody loved her. This night, she leaves her kids alone to go to a party. About 2 am she is seen going into a store by a Hells Angel who invites her to another party. She goes with him to the club house. She had already drank too much before they got there, but she drinks more. The leader of the clubhouse takes liberties with her, assuming she's easy, and she mouths off, insulting him and the club. She gets punched, and ends up getting beaten by a group. She dies, they dump her body.
Jodi Arias was and is a psycho. Her victim was a sweet guy, who was gruesomely killed for trying to drop her and get on with his life.
No comparison.
I actually think both of those are just about equally heinous, because the murder of the woman by the bikers was also after an attempted sexual assault. Plus it was several men against one woman.

Whereas in the Arias case, Travis Alexander could always have gotten Jodi Arias out of his life, and not continued having sex with her and stringing her along. He knew she was dangerous, he had expressed that he was afraid of her, yet he continued to see her for sex. He didn't deserve to die, but he certainly had some responsibility for continuing to see her.
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Old 06-20-2013, 10:51 AM
 
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He didn't deserve to die, but he certainly had some responsibility for continuing to see her.
You mean like a gal that sticks around in an abusive relationship and is then murdered by the hubby when she says she is leaving him?
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Old 06-20-2013, 10:55 AM
 
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the fact that she stabbed her boyfriend like 30 times and claimed "self defense" .
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Old 06-20-2013, 11:04 AM
 
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You mean like a gal that sticks around in an abusive relationship and is then murdered by the hubby when she says she is leaving him?
It only works when the woman had enough and snaps. When the man does, it was ALL his fault.
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Old 06-20-2013, 11:15 AM
 
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It only works when the woman had enough and snaps. When the man does, it was ALL his fault.
What are you talking about? In this case, the woman got the death penalty, so what exactly "worked" for her?
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Old 06-20-2013, 11:22 AM
 
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So what exactly did Jodi do that was so heinous? She was in a relationship with someone she was madly in love with, who was just using her as a kinky sex toy, while telling her at the same time that she was not good enough to marry. Is that a wise thing to do to a woman? If she snapped, does that make her a danger to society? No, but maybe it makes her a danger to self indulgent a-holes that want to use and abuse women.
She snapped?
She stole her grandfather's gun. Drove 100 miles south. Rented a car. Drove 950 miles to her boyfriend's apartment. Stabbed him, slit his throat, and shot him in the shower. Took photos. Cleaned the car and removed the floor mats. And returned the car with 2,800 miles on it.
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