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Old 06-13-2013, 07:45 AM
 
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The CIA talking points, 3 days after the attack, sent for review to the other parts of the government linked the attack to the video, said the attacks were spontaneous and claimed that only part of the crowd attacking the facilities were extremists.

The CIA had intercepted communications on the day of the attack, among members of the group suspected of attacking the facilities, talking about the events in Cairo. The CIA had warned the Cairo embassy that there could be attacks linked to the video the day prior to the attack in Benghazi.

How can you say the CIA didn't really believe what they were telling others 2 to 5 days after the attack?

My opinion is that the CIA's initial assessment was affected by the CIA's expectations (having warned about attacks elsewhere) and the intercepted communications.

In any case, if people are really interested in how and when the video entered the Benghazi narrative then they should be focusing on the CIA and not the White House, the State Department or the U.N. Ambassador.
Security of our embassy's are the responsibility of the State Department not the CIA.

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It wasn't about a movie.
https://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ontaneous.html

The CIA nor the White House believed it was about a video. They simply couldn't come up with a better excuse for getting caught unprepared.
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Old 06-13-2013, 07:47 AM
 
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Obviously they weren't what? I'm not sure what you are referring to.
Obviously all American's in Benghazi were not waiting at the airport.
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Old 06-13-2013, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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MAYBE if you had watched the hearings, or MAYBE IF you had been following the events instead of watching MSNBC YOU wouldn't be asking questions that ANYONE who HAD watched the hearings or have been following the events since it happened would already know.
That's one possibility. Another is that no such actual testimony was offered, and he is putting as fine a point as possible on that fact by demonstrating that you can't answer the question.

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Your silly question has been answered right here in this thread. Look it up and quit making such a fool of yourself.
Maybe it has, maybe it hasn't. What is certain is that you yourself can't answer it. You can't even (it appears) provide a link.
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Old 06-13-2013, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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If the debate has not ended it should.
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Old 06-13-2013, 08:05 AM
 
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If the debate has not ended it should.
It will as soon as the government explains how they could be so incompetant.
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Old 06-13-2013, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Security of our embassy's are the responsibility of the State Department not the CIA.



https://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ontaneous.html

The CIA nor the White House believed it was about a video. They simply couldn't come up with a better excuse for getting caught unprepared.
Neither of the facilities in Benghazi were a U.S. Embassy, both were CIA facilities, one of which had a State Department cover.

You linked to a posting from September 2012 speculating on the video. We now have the emails that contain the CIA's initial assessmentfrom CIA, from the week of the attack.

Reading the linked articles there is a lot of incorrect information in the articles written just after the attack. As an example from the Independent:

Chris Stevens and his team had tried to flee after the consulate was set on fire but their car was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade. Two Marines and a press officer, Sean Smith, a father of two, were shot dead by gunmen who had surrounded the vehicles. The 52-year-old ambassador was dragged out by a group of Libyans, according to one account, and taken to a hospital.

That is not how the Americans died.
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Old 06-13-2013, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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It will as soon as the government explains how they could be so incompetant.
Just arguendo... since when does incompetence require an explanation?
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Old 06-13-2013, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Obviously all American's in Benghazi were not waiting at the airport.
By the time Gibson's team was ready to depart Tripoli, both U.S. facilities had been evacuated and the personnel from those facilities were at the Benghazi airport or were already on transports flying to Tripoli. The timelines I've seen are clear as to whether or not the Americans were already in the air, but they are clear that they had already been evacuated to the airport.

Which is why Dempsey said in the article linked earlier that "if they had gone, they would have simply passed each other in the air."

News from The Associated Press

Dempsey explained that when the four members of Army special forces contacted their command center in Stuttgart, Germany, they were informed that Americans in Benghazi were "on their way and that they would be better used at the Tripoli airport because one of them was a medic."
He also said that "if they had gone, they would have simply passed each other in the air."
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Old 06-13-2013, 08:20 AM
 
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Neither of the facilities in Benghazi were a U.S. Embassy, both were CIA facilities, one of which had a State Department cover.
Which would be an even bigger reason to try and hide what really happened. Arms smuggling perhaps?

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You linked to a posting from September 2012 speculating on the video. We now have the emails that contain the CIA's initial assessmentfrom CIA, from the week of the attack.
I linked to a posting just right after the attack where I noted that there was no way this was because of a video. Did I have some special information? Of course not. Nothing outside of common sense.
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Old 06-13-2013, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Which would be an even bigger reason to try and hide what really happened. Arms smuggling perhaps?
Odd then, that the fake "scandal" is not an argument over "what really happened." It is infantile mewling and puking over talking points on television programs.

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I linked to a posting just right after the attack where I noted that there was no way this was because of a video. Did I have some special information? Of course not. Nothing outside of common sense.
And yet, because of that video...

On September 11, 2012 in Cairo, Egypt a group scaled the embassy wall and tore down the American flag to replace it with a black Islamic flag.

On September 13, protests occurred at the U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen, resulting in the deaths of four protesters and injuries to thirty-five protesters and guards.

On September 14, the U.S. consulate in Chennai was attacked, resulting in injuries to twenty-five protesters. Protesters in Tunis, Tunisia, climbed the U.S. embassy walls and set trees on fire.

At least four people were killed and forty-six injured during protests in Tunis on September 15.

Further protests were held at U.S. diplomatic missions and other locations in the days following the initial attacks. Related protests and attacks resulted in numerous deaths and injuries across the Middle East, Africa, Pakistan and Afghanistan.



Did you have some special information regarding the Libyan attack? No. Neither does the stopped clock that is still right twice a day.
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