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I repeat you are in lala land connecting Australian gun control with fear mongering about immigrant crime in Australia.
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Here's a plan . . . I'll accept your assessment on Australia if you admit I'm correct about the UK.
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Originally Posted by Iamme73
In terms of the rest of your post. My point was that the constitution can be amended, so pretending that some right is written in stone and forever can not be altered is foolhardy.
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And you thinking a right (exception from a power never granted to government) can be rescinded or removed or "taken back" by the government is a pipe dream.
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My other point was that the supreme courts CAN reserve the opinions of previous supreme courts and has done so.
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But the Supreme Court has been boringly consistent regarding the right to arms and the 2nd Amendment, (two separate, distinct things), for a long, long time and to reverse that holding would require a complete upheaval of the entire rights theory that the Court has enforced for over 200 years. The Court does not share your opinion that the the right to arms is an outlier or unique or of lesser status as the rest of our fundamental rights (enumerated or unenumerated).
You and most of the left suffer a profound ignorance of the Constitution and its operation.
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One supreme court ruled that racial segregation was legal. Another supreme court over turned that decision.
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And in the very first right to arms / 2nd Amendment case the Court ever heard it recognized the right of former slaves "
to bear arms for lawful purpose" (that being, self-defense from the KKK) and stated:
"The right there specified is that of "bearing arms for a lawful purpose." This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. . . ."
In the Court's next RKBA / 2nd Amendment case, ten years later, the Court quoted itself and changed the terminology specific to the prior case for the familiar wording of the 2nd Amendment to make the general statement that:
"the right of the people to keep and bear arms is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. . . "
In 2008 the Court again quoted itself with an explanation of what
was self-explanatory:
"it has always been widely understood that the Second Amendment, like the First and Fourth Amendments, codified a pre-existing right. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it “shall not be infringed.” As we said in . . . 1876 , “[t]his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. . .”
So, how are you going to amend the Constitution to impact a right that is not,
in any manner dependent upon the Constitution for its existence?
You gonna sell your proposed amendment as making the right to keep and bear arms entirely dependent upon what
you want to invent the Constitution to say?
Goodluckwiddat!
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Yes, the supreme court specifically gave cities and states the right to regulate gun ownership. You don't know what you are talking about.
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It is quite obvious you don't know what you are talking about. Not that I expect you to do it but I would like to see you support that statement, that, "the Court
gave[?] cities and states the
right[?] to regulate gun ownership."
All I can do is laugh; this being passed off as legitimate constitutional thought?
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The rest of your post was irrelevant. I don't care about your insane conspiracy theories about the Joyce foundation or social scientists.
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It is truly amazing how often your comments inspire so many "irrelevant" replies from others!
It is clear that when you say "irrelevant" you are actually screaming, "leave me alone, I can't support my inanity!" LOL
Just for fun . . .
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