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Old 05-02-2013, 02:51 PM
 
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When you have to borrow money to buy back the tbills, the result is a NEGATIVE effect on the GDP..

So its even better in your messed up mind if its foreign lenders, thus removing the interest rate "profits" and shipping them overseas?
Government spending accounts for GDP. If you cut government spending it also cuts GDP.
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Old 05-02-2013, 02:52 PM
 
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There's no difference in adding $1 of debt or $1 trillion of debt? Wow. I give up.
I didnt say there was no difference, I said does it matter what the total was because regardless it added to the debt.

If you cant read a 1 sentence reply and comprehend it, then you really need to go talk to your parents and ask them how you managed to graduate from elementary school
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Old 05-02-2013, 02:53 PM
 
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Government spending accounts for GDP. If you cut government spending it also cuts GDP.
NO IT DOESNT because that money remains in the economy and gets spent. Once agin, do you think people will burn their money if they dont buy tbills?
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Old 05-02-2013, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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If you Have $1,000 and you buy $1,000 in tbills, how do you still have $1,000 left to spend?

And when you have to to give me back $1100 to buy those tbills back from me, where does the money come from?

Explain this new math to me
What you are trying to say (but doing an awful job) is that government borrowing crowds out private borrowing and leads to higher interest rates that drive up costs and is inflationary.

That happens in normal economic times. However, we are not in normal economic times. We are in a liquidity trap and vast borrowing by the government has not resulted in higher interest rates nor inflation.

Thus, the government can borrow widely without the negative consequences until full employment is reached.
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Old 05-02-2013, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Well according to left wing posters here, government should be increasing spending to boost the economy, so that jobs can be created.

Is this is true, then explain to me how new unemployment numbers are lowest in 5 years, considering we are "cutting" federal spending under sequester..

US weekly unemployment aid applications drop to 324K, lowest in 5 years, sign of fewer layoffs - The Washington Post
Wasn't Obamacare supposed to make these kind of numbers impossible You have been saying that for years.
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Old 05-02-2013, 03:33 PM
 
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In a way, the furloughs portion of the sequester could actually result in lower unemployment. That is, the sequesters could persuade some federal employees to retire or quit working. That would open a new position which could conceivably go to someone currently unemployed. The federal employee who retired would no longer be considered as part of the workforce and the newly employed person would now longer be unemployed. The result would be a a slight drop in the unemployment rate.
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Old 05-02-2013, 03:36 PM
 
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What you are trying to say (but doing an awful job) is that government borrowing crowds out private borrowing and leads to higher interest rates that drive up costs and is inflationary.
Actually I'm not saying that at all.. I'm saying EXACTLY what I wanted to say.. Stop pretending others said things they didnt say, just so you can dispute it..

Once again, if I'm buying $1K in tbills, then that $1K is $1K I CANT SPEND...
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That happens in normal economic times. However, we are not in normal economic times. We are in a liquidity trap and vast borrowing by the government has not resulted in higher interest rates nor inflation.

Thus, the government can borrow widely without the negative consequences until full employment is reached.
More failure. The reason interest rates are so low is because the money is being lent to the government in such vast amounts, that banks wont loan money to the private sector.
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Old 05-02-2013, 03:37 PM
 
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Wasn't Obamacare supposed to make these kind of numbers impossible You have been saying that for years.
No I havent.. stop lying..
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Old 05-02-2013, 04:12 PM
 
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Either Obamacare or the sequestor will kill jobs. The lefts hero squatting in the White House loses on both counts.

On top of that, he lost his cherished gun control.

His legacy will be LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:51 PM
 
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Either Obamacare or the sequestor will kill jobs. The lefts hero squatting in the White House loses on both counts.

On top of that, he lost his cherished gun control.

His legacy will be LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then why are we seeing employment gains every month?
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