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Old 04-20-2013, 06:29 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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His entire case could be thrown out because of procedure.
Failure to Mirandize only means that they can't use whatever he says to them against him. It doesn't change the facts of the case not associated with what he has said nor any evidence taken prior to his arrest. So, no, this won't get the case thrown out.
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Old 04-20-2013, 06:30 AM
 
Location: texas
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Miranda warning only informs a person of their rights...This person has been in the US since childhood.

Not saying the miranda warning does not mean Dzhokhar is not entitiled to constitutional protections. He doesnt have to answer any questions...He can simply claim his 5th amendment right.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stN3KjsVT-A
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Old 04-20-2013, 06:31 AM
 
Location: texas
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Failure to Mirandize only means that they can't use whatever he says to them against him. It doesn't change the facts of the case not associated with what he has said nor any evidence taken prior to his arrest. So, no, this won't get the case thrown out.
that is not entirely correct see video.
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Old 04-20-2013, 06:32 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Miranda does not have to be read until you are being questioned.

Further, people on the left are simply amazing. NOW they are concerned about constitutional rights? A bit hypocritical.
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Mostly you are hearing that from people on the right.
Nice comeback! wow... what a zinger!

Am not!! Are too!!
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Old 04-20-2013, 06:40 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Nice comeback! wow... what a zinger!

Am not!! Are too!!
It is not a comeback; it is a fact. The people who are agonizing/complaining over this on this forum are not liberals; they are conservatives. Take the emotions out of it and read for yourself.
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Old 04-20-2013, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Patriot Act = violate constitutional rights. Miranda was absolutely needed. Search warrants were needed for all the dwellings they broke into. The military can't be used for criminal pursuit per Posse Comitatus. What do you call a lock down if not marshall law? Will these procedures become accepted by the people?
Marshall law? Is that what they had in Tombstone under Earp?
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Old 04-20-2013, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Looks like Graham (R) and McCain (R) say they SHOULD NOT read him the Miranda rights
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Old 04-20-2013, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Miranda Rights Won't Be Read For Boston Bombing Suspect: Justice Official

It is a "public safety exception" which also allows the government to question a suspect and the use the statements in court. Sounds like the epitome of unconstitutional to me.
Me too. The 5th Amendment is rather clear.

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
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Old 04-20-2013, 06:53 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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that is not entirely correct see video.
Failure to Mirandize will not get a case thrown out if the conviction is not based on what the defendant said. What part of that is the guy in the video disagreeing with?
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Old 04-20-2013, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Patriot Act = violate constitutional rights. Miranda was absolutely needed. Search warrants were needed for all the dwellings they broke into. The military can't be used for criminal pursuit per Posse Comitatus. What do you call a lock down if not marshall law? Will these procedures become accepted by the people?
You are mixing up your constitutional amendments. Search warrants is from the 4th Amendment while Miranda rights are derived from the 5th Amendment.

Moreover, warrants aren't required if there is probable cause -- the reasonable belief that a crime has been committed and that the person is linked to the crime with a degree of certainty.

In this case, which involved terrorism and the likelihood that the suspects would use bombs again, the probable cause exception would withstand challenge.
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