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Old 12-19-2012, 01:20 PM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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A quote from president Thomas Jefferson...

"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
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Someone should forward the above Jefferson quote, if accurately repeated, to Justice Scalia and others on the U.S. Supreme Court. Those are the folks who claim the Constitution is etched in stone, and the words and meanings of which remain exactly the same today and tomorrow and on into the future as dthey did the first day pen was put to ink and on paper to write it.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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A quote from president Thomas Jefferson...

"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
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The NRA needs to admit that assault weapons have no place in today's society. The constitution can be modified to adapt to changes in society. Do these nuts really believe that they would stand a chance if the "Govmint comes to take arr gunz!" -- and yeah, do not deny that people do think this way. They think that their guns are the only protection against a total tyranny and government takeover.

The government has drones, tanks, nuclear bombs... Give it up. Your AR-15 has a better chance of killing our kids than saving you from the government. The cons clearly outweigh the pros here.

1. I would hope you understand that assault (FULL AUTO) weapons are already banned, and have been for many years...you simply CANT buy an UZI at a gun dealer

2. an ar-15 is not an assault weapon...it is a magazine fed 22( .223 to be exact) caliper rifle


a bushmaster ar-15 is not an assault rifle...it is a SEMI-automatic 22 rifle

an assault rifle is a FULLY ATUOMATIC weapon...like the UZI's and MK10 ( that gangs like to use) and the military's M16/M4...which btw are already HIGHLY RESTRICTED





""The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.""" James Madison, father of the constitution


the 2nd amendment is very specific...the RIGHT of the PEOPLE shall not be INFRINGED



""""That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and their own state, or the United States, or for the purpose of killing game; and no law shall be passed for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up: and that the military shall be kept under strict subordination to and be governed by the civil powers."""-- James Madison

the 2nd amendment is very specific...the RIGHT of the PEOPLE shall not be INFRINGED



yes if convicted of a crime you would lose that right..just like a felon loses the right to vote

yes if you are COMMITTED to an institution because you are a danger to society you would lose that right....as the gun man in CT SHOULD have been...but because liberals say that institutions are 'in-humane', we have a major problem of people with mental illness walking right next to us
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Liberals are generally prone to surrender and so willing to give up their rights. That's why they're seen as anti-military and anti-defense.

Right, right. That's why those Democratic liberals Woodrow Wilson, FDR, and Truman surrendered during WW1, WW2, and the Korean War.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:51 PM
 
Location: the Beaver State
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The NRA needs to admit that assault weapons have no place in today's society. The constitution can be modified to adapt to changes in society. Do these nuts really believe that they would stand a chance if the "Govmint comes to take arr gunz!" -- and yeah, do not deny that people do think this way. They think that their guns are the only protection against a total tyranny and government takeover.

The government has drones, tanks, nuclear bombs... Give it up. Your AR-15 has a better chance of killing our kids than saving you from the government. The cons clearly outweigh the pros here.
What do you consider an assault weapon? Are you talking about all AR-15 models, Including .22 caliber? What about other weapons that also fire .22 caliber bullets?
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:01 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Pequaman View Post
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A quote from president Thomas Jefferson...

"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
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The NRA needs to admit that assault weapons have no place in today's society. The constitution can be modified to adapt to changes in society. Do these nuts really believe that they would stand a chance if the "Govmint comes to take arr gunz!" -- and yeah, do not deny that people do think this way. They think that their guns are the only protection against a total tyranny and government takeover.

The government has drones, tanks, nuclear bombs... Give it up. Your AR-15 has a better chance of killing our kids than saving you from the government. The cons clearly outweigh the pros here.

I will be willing to give up my guns as soon as liberals give up thier right to vote.
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Massapequa Park
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What do you consider an assault weapon? Are you talking about all AR-15 models, Including .22 caliber? What about other weapons that also fire .22 caliber bullets?
Any gun that allows an average shot to overpower more than 50% of cops on the street is an assault weapon. Any gun designed to destroy a large number of targets as efficiently as possible, is an assault weapon.

Let's realize that cops are the defense mechanism between society and the criminal. There should not be a civilian weapon legally available that can breach this barrier. Shotguns, hunting rifles are ok in my book. Magazine size is also crucial. Who here really needs 30 rd magazines? If you really need these for home-defense or hunting, you need to consider a lifestyle change.

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Old 12-19-2012, 02:05 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Pequaman View Post
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A quote from president Thomas Jefferson...

"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
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The NRA needs to admit that assault weapons have no place in today's society. The constitution can be modified to adapt to changes in society. Do these nuts really believe that they would stand a chance if the "Govmint comes to take arr gunz!" -- and yeah, do not deny that people do think this way. They think that their guns are the only protection against a total tyranny and government takeover.

The government has drones, tanks, nuclear bombs... Give it up. Your AR-15 has a better chance of killing our kids than saving you from the government. The cons clearly outweigh the pros here.
Define assault weapon.

It seems you arent factually informed on the topic, yet you chose to opine on it anyways.
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Massapequa Park
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Define assault weapon.

It seems you arent factually informed on the topic, yet you chose to opine on it anyways.
read post 16.
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:23 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Pequaman View Post
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A quote from president Thomas Jefferson...

"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
-------

The NRA needs to admit that assault weapons have no place in today's society. The constitution can be modified to adapt to changes in society. Do these nuts really believe that they would stand a chance if the "Govmint comes to take arr gunz!" -- and yeah, do not deny that people do think this way. They think that their guns are the only protection against a total tyranny and government takeover.

The government has drones, tanks, nuclear bombs... Give it up. Your AR-15 has a better chance of killing our kids than saving you from the government. The cons clearly outweigh the pros here.
I agree with Jefferson and remind everyone he advocated a complete review of the US Constitution every generation. We have dearly paid a price for being so lazy toward keeping this maintenance up. But then morality has become another entitlement to enjoy and responsibility is now to smoke out & chill...

Also, you realize that no one in the world uses muskets anymore? And that back in the 18th century there was no such thing as 'mental health' and that governments frequently tyrannized its citizenry just as they do to this very day. The only difference is that people today have been 'educated' that they are crazy if they dare speak against actual tyranny, instead invoking a less oppressive-seeming form of tyranny, as it is sold as the best one can get & the only viable solution to the natural state of being tyrannized by those with power.

A socialist-minded King George III would have given these types a pretense of peerdom just as today our modern rabble are given a sense of affluence for their support. Things change, names change- less more than they simply evolve a shell to look opposite of what they actually are.
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:49 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Only an idiot would think Jefferson would ever support disarming the people.
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