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Yeah, we can pick the other candidate chosen for us by big corporations.
Lol....dude...leave it alone.. you already won. He doesn't even realize he is arguing for willingly voting for Corporatism or advocating a government that has done nothing but lie to him for the last 150 years.
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A quote from president Thomas Jefferson...
"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors." -------
The NRA needs to admit that assault weapons have no place in today's society. The constitution can be modified to adapt to changes in society. Do these nuts really believe that they would stand a chance if the "Govmint comes to take arr gunz!" -- and yeah, do not deny that people do think this way. They think that their guns are the only protection against a total tyranny and government takeover.
The government has drones, tanks, nuclear bombs... Give it up. Your AR-15 has a better chance of killing our kids than saving you from the government. The cons clearly outweigh the pros here.
Talk about missing the point!
Military style weapons in the hands of the people are not to enable them to defeat the military.
They are to make governing by a dictator against the will of the people practically impossible.
"In a nation governed by the people themselves, the possession of arms to defend their nation against usurpers within and without was deemed absolutely necessary. This right was protected by the 2nd Amendment."
"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere."
"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."
Cynthia Dunbar, a lawyer from Richmond who is a strict constitutionalist and thinks the nation was founded on Christian beliefs, managed to cut Thomas Jefferson from a list of figures whose writings inspired revolutions in the late 18th century and 19th century, replacing him with St. Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and William Blackstone. (Jefferson is not well liked among conservatives on the board because he coined the term “separation between church and state.”)
Military style weapons in the hands of the people are not to enable them to defeat the military.
They are to make governing by a dictator against the will of the people practically impossible.
"In a nation governed by the people themselves, the possession of arms to defend their nation against usurpers within and without was deemed absolutely necessary. This right was protected by the 2nd Amendment."
"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere."
"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."
- Thomas Jefferson
Yes, you make a fair point. Govt can be legalized version of theft in many cases, I agree. But you're missing my point. Assault weapons will do you no good if the country were to ever fall into the hands of a dictator. And let's be honest with ourselves, no matter what Alex Jones says, that scenario will never happen. Now to my point, the cons of having millions of assault weapons in circulation is thousands of families destroyed every year, massacres in movie theatres, malls, and our schools, outweighs by a mile any benefit to having these guns in circulation today. It's only a matter of time before this happens again--everyone knows it. Like I said on page 2, any gun that allows the average shot to outgun the majority of cops should be illegal. I'm not advocating getting rid of all guns, nor do I think the public in general wants that. Guns will always be a part of society. Heck, I even advocated arming our teachers (reluctantly, but to deal with this obvious major threat to schools).
""The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.""" James Madison, father of the constitution
the 2nd amendment is very specific...the RIGHT of the PEOPLE shall not be INFRINGED
""""That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and their own state, or the United States, or for the purpose of killing game; and no law shall be passed for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up: and that the military shall be kept under strict subordination to and be governed by the civil powers."""-- James Madison
the 2nd amendment is very specific...the RIGHT of the PEOPLE shall not be INFRINGED
That's great and all...so who gets to decide what arms should be legal or illegal? If I own a 155mm field Howitzer , is that OK with most people? A bazooka? A full auto tec 9?
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Originally Posted by Hot_Handz
If you believe the people have the right to bear arms, for protection from the state....then you have to keep it on equal footing as the state.....
I'll give up my AK when they give up theirs. And their M4/AR-15's and Saws and etc etc etc
Any gun that allows an average shot to overpower more than 50% of cops on the street is an assault weapon. Any gun designed to destroy a large number of targets as efficiently as possible, is an assault weapon.
I have yet to find a single person who claims that "assault rifles" should be banned who can accurately define one.
True assault rifles, (with the capabilities to fire in both full and semi auto) are already covered under the National Firearms Act.
All of this lunacy is based upon the idea that if a gun looks scary, it must be evil and was only designed to kill children, so all of them should be banned.
These decisions are being made by people who have zero knowledge of the topic at hand, and instead are being fed by emotion.
That's great and all...so who gets to decide what arms should be legal or illegal? If I own a 155mm field Howitzer , is that OK with most people? A bazooka? A full auto tec 9?
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and what if you did own a M198 (155mm howitzer)....do you have the ammo...probably a long shot,,,,do you even have the BACK(strength) to load the round w/detonator into the breach, and the bags of powder to launch the projectile........probably not
so why would I care if you had a cannon that you most likely couldnt use, or at best would get one shot off
here is a question....a what if....(yes I understand IF's)
what if the GOVERNMENT turned bad.......
what if the government decided to send groups of people to the furnaces......
and you gave up all your guns years ago......
then what.......
""""to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them """"
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