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Old 12-17-2012, 09:43 PM
 
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Astonishing change of events! He had the NRA's highest ratings for all 4 of his terms in congress and now is rallying AGAINST the NRA in search for gun reform. You have to watch the whole thing.

"Nothing can ever be the same again."

It's time for some common sense reform. No one is going to take away your handgun... we just need some reasonable compromise to make sure the senseless killing stops. How could ANYONE be against that?
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:13 PM
 
Location: NJ
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OP, Thanks you very much for posting this. I watched some of the show, but had to leave too early to catch this.

I wish we had tons of Scarboroughs in DC. It is little wonder this gentleman served 8 years during the peak period for his party. Unlike this wing nut era, it was a time when bi-partisan accomplishments occured regularly, as intellect was valued.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:15 PM
 
Location: NC
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I've changed my mind heavily after this situation. We don't need to ban guns but we need to start a phase of heavy regulation.

EDIT: And I'm not alone: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ion/?hpt=hp_t2
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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/sigh

How many threads do we need on ol' Joe?

https://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...arborough.html
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:25 PM
 
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I would actually propose allowing people to keep assault weapons - just change the conditions upon which they can be owned. And with that, change the conditions upon which all guns can be owned. That's the key here. Just banning a weapon isn't going to do squat. That's nothing but symbolism.

Create classes of firearms, according to those which are capable of inflicting most casualties. Even if the weapons are considered especially dangerous, people should still be allowed to own them if they so desire; they just need to be prepared to pay for them, and they need to be prepared to account for them, and to produce their guns upon inspection of an ATF agent for monitoring, etc. They should be licensed, and their guns should be GPS tracked. The thing is, see, these impositions alone will reduce the number of weapons that they own. If they mess up, they turn over their license, and they turn over their weapons. That simple. And if they fail to do so, then they're guilty of weapons violations and they get fined and threatened with home repossession until they comply. But if someone's responsible enough, yes, let that person keep their assault rifles. We'll know who has them, how many they have, and we'll know they're in responsible hands.

A ban just for the sake of having some senator claim credit for authoring a law that can be named after him or her? Heck, I never thought I'd be in agreement with the gun lobby, but I'm inclined to side with them on this...just for completely different reasons.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:30 PM
 
Location: NC
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I would actually propose allowing people to keep assault weapons - just change the conditions upon which they can be owned. And with that, change the conditions upon which all guns can be owned. That's the key here. Just banning a weapon isn't going to do squat. That's nothing but symbolism.

Create classes of firearms, according to those which are capable of inflicting most casualties. Even if the weapons are considered especially dangerous, people should still be allowed to own them if they so desire; they just need to be prepared to pay for them, and they need to be prepared to account for them, and to produce their guns upon inspection of an ATF agent for monitoring, etc. They should be licensed, and their guns should be GPS tracked. The thing is, see, these impositions alone will reduce the number of weapons that they own. If they mess up, they turn over their license, and they turn over their weapons. That simple. And if they fail to do so, then they're guilty of weapons violations and they get fined and threatened with home repossession until they comply. But if someone's responsible enough, yes, let that person keep their assault rifles. We'll know who has them, how many they have, and we'll know they're in responsible hands.

A ban just for the sake of having some senator claim credit for authoring a law that can be named after him or her? Heck, I never thought I'd be in agreement with the gun lobby, but I'm inclined to side with them on this...just for completely different reasons.
Taxation would work wonders. Own a grandfathered gun? Well here is your property tax bill...
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Old 12-18-2012, 01:16 AM
 
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Joe "jumped the fence" to the Liberal side years ago. He knows who signs his paycheck and is quick to make some hay out of this situation. Did he call for a ban on violent movies too? Not likely...
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Old 12-18-2012, 01:26 AM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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The wing nuts won't like this; they never like it when someone speaks sense to them but that shouldn't stop us from doing what we know to be right. We need more gun control and at least the military style weapons need to be off the streets. We need to close the gun show loophole which allows 40% of gun sales to go through without any background checks at all. Buyers need to complete REAL safety classes BEFORE they get their guns and REAL psych tests must be conducted before we hand weapons to potential mass murderers. No more buying ammo over the internet and from now on magazines need to be limited in capacity. This is only common sense.
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Old 12-18-2012, 01:27 AM
 
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Create classes of firearms, according to those which are capable of inflicting most casualties. Even if the weapons are considered especially dangerous, people should still be allowed to own them if they so desire; they just need to be prepared to pay for them, and they need to be prepared to account for them, and to produce their guns upon inspection of an ATF agent for monitoring, etc. They should be licensed, and their guns should be GPS tracked. The thing is, see, these impositions alone will reduce the number of weapons that they own. If they mess up, they turn over their license, and they turn over their weapons. That simple. And if they fail to do so, then they're guilty of weapons violations and they get fined and threatened with home repossession until they comply. But if someone's responsible enough, yes, let that person keep their assault rifles. We'll know who has them, how many they have, and we'll know they're in responsible hands.
You're not proposing to allow people to keep anything, you're proposing regulation that would make it impossibly expensive to own them. This proposals are skirting the second amendment, If you want to address this issue in this manner contact your Congressman and demand a they back repeal or clarification of the second amendment. Have them stand up and be counted as anti gun...

As I've said in previous posts it will never happen so why do it through back door legislation?
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Old 12-18-2012, 01:28 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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I would actually propose allowing people to keep assault weapons - just change the conditions upon which they can be owned. And with that, change the conditions upon which all guns can be owned. That's the key here. Just banning a weapon isn't going to do squat. That's nothing but symbolism.

Create classes of firearms, according to those which are capable of inflicting most casualties. Even if the weapons are considered especially dangerous, people should still be allowed to own them if they so desire; they just need to be prepared to pay for them, and they need to be prepared to account for them, and to produce their guns upon inspection of an ATF agent for monitoring, etc. They should be licensed, and their guns should be GPS tracked. The thing is, see, these impositions alone will reduce the number of weapons that they own. If they mess up, they turn over their license, and they turn over their weapons. That simple. And if they fail to do so, then they're guilty of weapons violations and they get fined and threatened with home repossession until they comply. But if someone's responsible enough, yes, let that person keep their assault rifles. We'll know who has them, how many they have, and we'll know they're in responsible hands.

A ban just for the sake of having some senator claim credit for authoring a law that can be named after him or her? Heck, I never thought I'd be in agreement with the gun lobby, but I'm inclined to side with them on this...just for completely different reasons.



Shall we also tax religion, free speech and assembly?
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