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View Poll Results: Shall the US ban militant religious groups/atheism?
YES, BAN 11 12.50%
NO 77 87.50%
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Old 06-09-2013, 09:42 AM
 
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Atheism has no dogma or religious creed. It's merely a lack of belief. You are an atheist regarding thousands of gods. Does that make you a genocidal dictator?

People like Stalin, Mao, etc. committed crimes based on political ideology, not religious.

Norway is 80% atheist/non-religious. Only 4% attend church. It's also the happiest nation, with some of the highest quality of living on Earth, and quite wealthy.

By your logic, Norway should be an evil bastion of authoritarian sociopaths.
Happy, my foot. I guess you missed the days and days of riots that have been happening over there recently. It seems the young immigrants aren't happy.
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Old 06-09-2013, 09:46 AM
 
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The Crusades don't count?
No, they don't. The Crusades ended at the end of the 13th Century, and many more atrocious things happened in the name of Christianity in the intervening years (Spanish Inquisition, Witch Trials, etc.). But they are in the past, i.e., they're not happening anymore.
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Old 06-09-2013, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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No. Fundamentalist Muslims have caused quite a bit of harm though. Fundamentalist Christians don't cause as much, but certainly pose a minor threat. I don't see Orthodox Jews as a threat at all. The word militant atheist is funny. Militant Muslims fly planes into buildings and militant Christians blow up abortion clinics. Militant atheists post on internet message boards.

So while the radical versions of all of those are at worst terrorists and at best annoying, realistically we can't ban them. Unless they're terrorists. Then we can ban them. But we probably won't, even if the Russian government tells us to.
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Old 06-09-2013, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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No, they don't. The Crusades ended at the end of the 13th Century, and many more atrocious things happened in the name of Christianity in the intervening years (Spanish Inquisition, Witch Trials, etc.). But they are in the past, i.e., they're not happening anymore.
...but the Christians did commit heinous acts in the name of "god", so it's ludicrous to think that only the Muslims ought to be banned because of what a select few of their religion did. There's a difference between those who perpetrated 9/11 and the rest of the Muslim people:

The people responsible were terrorists who happen to be Muslim, not Muslim who happened to be terrorists.

Huge difference.

And we if take the dictionary definition and none of the crap that the government is sending out to us, a terrorist is someone who causes terror and instills fear into the hearts and minds of others.

Guess who's doing that the most today?
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Old 06-09-2013, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Happy, my foot. I guess you missed the days and days of riots that have been happening over there recently. It seems the young immigrants aren't happy.
Would those immigrants happen to be religious?
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Old 06-09-2013, 12:58 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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...but the Christians did commit heinous acts in the name of "god", so it's ludicrous to think that only the Muslims ought to be banned because of what a select few of their religion did. There's a difference between those who perpetrated 9/11 and the rest of the Muslim people:

The people responsible were terrorists who happen to be Muslim, not Muslim who happened to be terrorists.

Huge difference.
Uh, "allahu akbar" anyone? Never heard that? You've got to be joking.

What is it that modern-day bombers, decapitators, and similar terrorists yell? Is it anything about Jesus? Could have fooled me. And don't divert by bringing up localized events from centuries ago. Let's talk about what is an actual threat right now that is not limited to one region anymore.
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Old 06-09-2013, 01:36 PM
 
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...but the Christians did commit heinous acts in the name of "god", so it's ludicrous to think that only the Muslims ought to be banned because of what a select few of their religion did. There's a difference between those who perpetrated 9/11 and the rest of the Muslim people:

The people responsible were terrorists who happen to be Muslim, not Muslim who happened to be terrorists.

Huge difference.

And we if take the dictionary definition and none of the crap that the government is sending out to us, a terrorist is someone who causes terror and instills fear into the hearts and minds of others.

Guess who's doing that the most today?
First, I've never advocated banning any religion. Let's make that clear from the start. I was just responding to someone mentioning the Crusades, as if that's relevant today. It's not relevant because Christians have moved beyond committing heinous acts in the name of "God." It's not happening anymore, and hasn't been happening for centuries. Muslims are not all terrorists, but considering that a very large group of them believe in this day and age that they should kill all apostates and have everyone convert or be killed, that's a problem of TODAY. It's relevant NOW.

Please enlighten me on Christians of TODAY causing terror or instilling fear in the hearts and minds of others. How? By wanting to end abortion, a practice they consider murder? By wanting marriage to remain as it has been for thousands of years?
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Old 06-09-2013, 01:38 PM
 
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Would those immigrants happen to be religious?
As a matter of fact, I believe they are, but I'm pretty sure it's just ingratitude and wanting their new country to do even more for them than they already are.
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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Uh, "allahu akbar" anyone? Never heard that? You've got to be joking.

What is it that modern-day bombers, decapitators, and similar terrorists yell? Is it anything about Jesus? Could have fooled me. And don't divert by bringing up localized events from centuries ago. Let's talk about what is an actual threat right now that is not limited to one region anymore.
As I said, these are terrorists who happen to be Muslim, not Muslims who happen to be terrorists.

Huge difference.

Pretty sure Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist, too. Good ol' Christian boy he was.
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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First, I've never advocated banning any religion. Let's make that clear from the start. I was just responding to someone mentioning the Crusades, as if that's relevant today. It's not relevant because Christians have moved beyond committing heinous acts in the name of "God." It's not happening anymore
Westboros Baptist Church.

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Muslims are not all terrorists, but considering that a very large group of them believe in this day and age that they should kill all apostates and have everyone convert or be killed, that's a problem of TODAY. It's relevant NOW.
An extremist group of terrorists who happen to be Muslim want this to happen. You don't see the Muslim population of Minnesota raising up and doing any of these things do you? It's not my fault you can't differentiate between terrorists who happen to be Muslim and Muslims who happen to be terrorists. The former (the Muslims who happen to be terrorists) are far outnumbered by the latter (terrorists who happen to be Muslim).

Huge, HUGE difference between the two.

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Please enlighten me on Christians of TODAY causing terror or instilling fear in the hearts and minds of others. How? By wanting to end abortion, a practice they consider murder? By wanting marriage to remain as it has been for thousands of years?
Westboros Baptist Church.
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