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Old 10-12-2012, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Well, it's the politically correct thing to say!! Every reasonable person knows that when you raise taxes on the wealthy, they either move their money or structure their business to pay less in taxes. The wealthy have never really paid taxes. They pass them on to the rest of us. One way or the other.
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:32 PM
 
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What does it tell you that most "rich" people support raising taxes on themselves?
That tells me that those "rich" people, for some reason, think that the government knows better how to spend their own money.
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Old 10-12-2012, 04:05 PM
 
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Let's see if we can piece together what you're saying.

1. Old days had boys pumping gas and doing routine maintenance checks alongside
2. Technology replaces boys pumping gas
3. Your assertion is that introducing technology that replaced boys had nothing to do w/ the end to routine maintenance checks

Does that sum it up?

Also, which states have a gas price cap?
technology has NOT replaced people pumping gas. regulations have.

as to what states have a gas price cap, start with wisconson. they dont allow stations to charge more, or less, than 9% over the wholesale price.

and by the way, new jersy, and i believe oregon as well, require someone to pump gas for customers, thus NO self serve gas stations in those states.
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Old 10-12-2012, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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technology has NOT replaced people pumping gas. regulations have.

as to what states have a gas price cap, start with wisconson. they dont allow stations to charge more, or less, than 9% over the wholesale price.

and by the way, new jersy, and i believe oregon as well, require someone to pump gas for customers, thus NO self serve gas stations in those states.
Really? An electronic pump that regulates when you can start pumping, accurately records people's purchase, and receives payments for cheaper & better than it costs to have someone stand there doing the same thing is somehow not responsible for that someone no longer having a job?

Was there some point in the past when they were working side by side and then gov't stepped in slapped a tax on using the human service? Or did they regulate the height, weight, dental hygiene of the human service so hard that it drove them away from the pump? Or maybe jack booted thugs swooped in and beat up everyone that thought about using the human instead of the pump...
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Old 10-12-2012, 06:08 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Lol... who's full of what? These people support getting taxes raised on themselves. They know how higher rates will affect them more than you do. They know if it will crater their businesses or personal spending. Their support defeats your bullchit rhetoric that's been hand fed to you by those Uber-greedy that would probably still fight for lower taxes even if they paid 5%.

Despite thinking that you're making some intellectual point by saying nothing's stopping them from donating more, the point of their support is that it shows that it won't have the negative affect that Republicans and the super-greedy claim raising taxes will.

I just want to add this: what if they are smart enough to realize that if they pay more taxes and the middle class pay less that they will make more money in the long run? Or what if it depended on how they made their money? If they made their money by the spending of the middle and lower classes they would support breaks for them. This would be in contrast to someone who made their money off of something other than the masses. Just a thought
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Old 10-12-2012, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Well this is certainly reality based, just like a TV show.

If paying more taxes makes them feel better, they should write a check.

Personally, I don't see how anyone, rich or poor, sending more of their earnings to DC accomplishes anything except making government more intrusive and even less accountable.

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Old 10-12-2012, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I just want to add this: what if they are smart enough to realize that if they pay more taxes and the middle class pay less that they will make more money in the long run? Or what if it depended on how they made their money? If they made their money by the spending of the middle and lower classes they would support breaks for them. This would be in contrast to someone who made their money off of something other than the masses. Just a thought
At the end of the day, we're talking about close to 70% of people making over 1M.

At that rate, you can be reasonably certain that the interests, political parties, occupations, etc. covers a WIDE range. And that's not even counting the people who are doing more than well and would still oppose a 10% tax.
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Old 10-12-2012, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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I'll pay more when everyone pays more.
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Old 10-12-2012, 07:50 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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At the end of the day, we're talking about close to 70% of people making over 1M.

At that rate, you can be reasonably certain that the interests, political parties, occupations, etc. covers a WIDE range. And that's not even counting the people who are doing more than well and would still oppose a 10% tax.
Well I guess it would depend on the conscious of certain people to help those less fortunate than themselves
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Let's see if we can piece together what you're saying.

1. Old days had boys pumping gas and doing routine maintenance checks alongside
2. Technology replaces boys pumping gas
3. Your assertion is that introducing technology that replaced boys had nothing to do w/ the end to routine maintenance checks

Does that sum it up?

Also, which states have a gas price cap?
The only thing that was automated was how we pay for the gas after it's pumped, not how it is pumped. Technology did not replace the kids pumping gas, because we pump our own gas exactly the same way the kids used to do it.

By reading back a few pages, I think his point has escaped you completely.

Our ever increasing governmental regulatory and tax burden on private sector businesses, is making them less and less profitable, because more and more of their profits go to complying with regulations and paying taxes. We make it a law that every employee must be paid a "livable wage" even when all some teenagers were doing was checking oil and pumping gas, so gas stations could no longer afford to pay teens a low wage for that low skilled work.

Competition has always been aggressive between businesses, that was why we had full service gas stations, people could pay a few cents more, and not have to get wet in the rain, cold in the winter, or dirty from cleaning windows and filling the tank.

So when government steps in, with good intentions, to force businesses to endure an ever increasing tax and regulatory burden, they actually end up hurting the economy and stifling job creation.
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