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Old 09-24-2012, 06:49 PM
 
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I honestly don't know if the furor in the Muslim world over the idiotic film in question has run its course or
may flare up again? (continue reading)
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:00 AM
 
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Religious and political leaders calling for the deaths of the cast, crew and pretty much anyone involved in the film is as much akin to putting out a fire with gasoline as the production itself was poking a hornets nest with a stick.

Find below the most recent fatwa I am aware of and a rough machine translation to English. It goes far beyond insensitivity and is not just rhetorical intolerance, it pointedly states that the killing of those involved in the production of the film is the duty of every Muslim.

When will any progress be made so long as persons in positions of power endorse, even command in many cases, fanatical violence as a reaction to insults like these rather than espouse a willingness to begin a dialogue toward openness, understanding, and mutual respect?

Certainly the film was deplorable, spiteful, ignorant, and clearly provocative. I promise there will be further examples of this kind of hateful stupidity on both sides of the fence because there will always be insensitivity born deliberately from malice or sinister design, and inadvertently from deficits in brain function.

While there are myriad examples of organizations and individuals calling for calm and restraint, there are many insidious entities urging destruction, violence, terrorism, and all out war against their fellow man.

These are often our leaders; our politicians, our clergy, our media, and our educators. In this age of global communications, it is every man's responsibility to observe and listen. To separate the good messages from the bad and filter out the noise that can drive us to hurt each other.

What are we learning about ourselves when we hear the politician from his podium, the anchor man on the television, the preacher from their pulpit? What questions are our children being asked in their churches and madrassas?

I would like to suggest one question for starters among all this chaos,conflagration and outrage, and it is no joke:

What's so funny about peace, love, and understanding?


بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم


فتوى بوجوب قتل المخرج والمنتج وممثلي الفيلم المسيء


كتبه : أحمد فؤاد عشوش


الحمد لله وكفى وسلام على عباده الذين اصطفى وبعد ..


قال الله عز وجل : (النَّبِيُّ أَوْلَى بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ وَأَزْوَاجُهُ أُمَّهَاتُهُمْ ) (الأحزاب: 6)


فبأبي أنت وأمي يا رسول الله ,فديناك بأنفسنا , وأبنائنا , وأزواجنا , وأموالنا , وأهلنا وعشيرتنا , وكل ما في الدنيا , عرضنا لعرضك الوقاء , نحورنا دون نحورك يا رسول الله , فأنت أولى بنا من أنفسنا , وأزواجنا وأمهاتنا , نحورنا دون أعراض أمهاتنا , فلا والله لن يُترك حيا يمشي على الأرض من أساء إليك , أو تعرض لأزواجك رضي الله عنهن , فالموت الموت , والقتل القتل لكل من سوّلت له نفسه ذلك , وفي الآخرة عذاب مهين .


قال الله عز وجل : (إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يُؤْذُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ لَعَنَهُمُ اللَّهُ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالْآخِرَةِ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُمْ عَذَاباً مُهِيناً) (الأحزاب : 57)


فالغضب الغضب لرسول الله (صلى الله عليه وسلم) , الغضب الغضب لأمهاتنا رضي الله عنهن , الإنتصار لله ولرسوله (صلى الله عليه وسلم), ولا يكون الإنتصار إلا بقتل من قام على الإهانة والإساءة والسب .


وها أنا ذا أُفتي بقتل كل من شارك في صناعة هذا الفيلم , وأن دماؤهم هدر - المنتج والمخرج والممثلين – وإن قتلهم واجب على كل من قدر عليه من المسلمين , وإن قتل هؤلاء المذكورين هو حكم الإسلام القطعي المُجمع عليه فيهم وفي أمثالهم .


فلقد أمر النبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) بقتل كعب بن الأشرف اليهودي , لما شبّب بنساء النبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) , فقال النبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) : ( من لي بكعب بن الأشرف فإنه قد آذى الله ورسوله ؟ , فقام محمد بن مسلمة فقال : أنا يا رسول الله ,أتحب أن أقتله ؟ قال نعم ...) الحديث " أنظر الصارم المسلول : 63".


فقد أمر النبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) بقتل كعب بن الأشرف لما تعرض لذكر نساء النبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) , فما بالنا بمن جسّدهن على الشاشة بمثل هذه الوقاحة والإهانة المشينة , بل لم يقتصر الأمر على ذلك وإنما تعداه إلى إهانة النبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) أعظم إهانة يمكن أن يتصورها مسلم , ومن المعلوم المُسلَّم في الإسلام قتل من سب النبي محمد (صلى الله عليه وسلم) , رجلا كان أو امرأة , مسلما كان أو كافرا , سواءا كان الكافر مشركا أو أهل كتاب , ذميا أو غير ذمي , فقد جاء في الحديث الصحيح عن ابن عباس رضي الله عنه : أن أعمى كان له أم ولد شتمت النبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) , وتقع فيه , فينهاها فلا تنتهي , ويزجرها فلا تنزجر , فلما كان ذات ليلة , جعلت تقع في النبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) وتشتمه , فأخذ المغول فوضعه في بطنها واتكأ عليه فقتلها , فمل أصبح ذكر ذلك للنبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) , فجمع الناس فقال : " أنشد رجلا فعل ما فعل لي عليه حق إلا قام " قال : فقام الأعمى يتخطى الناس وهو يتدلدل , حتى قعد بين يدي النبي(صلى الله عليه وسلم) , فقال يا رسول الله أنا صاحبها , كانت تشتمك وتقع فيك , فأنهاها فلا تنهي , وأزجرها فلا تنزجر , ولي منها إبنان مثل اللؤلؤتين , وكانت بي رفيقة , فلما كان البارحة جعلت تشتمك وتقع فيك , فأخذت المغول فوضعته في بطنها واتكأت عليه حتى قتلتها , فقال النبي(صلى الله عليه وسلم) : "ألا فاشهدوا أن دمها هدر " . رواه أبو داوود والنسائي ) (الصارم : 61 ).


فهذا هو حكم النبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) فيمن سبه , فإنه يقتل ودمه هدر , رجلا كان أو امرأة .


ويقال أن هذه المرأة كانت يهودية , لذلك قال شيخ الإسلام بن تيمية رحمه الله تعقيبا على هذا الحديث : ( واستدلوا بهذا الحديث على قتل الذمي وانتقاض العهد ) ( الصارم :62 ).


ولنا معاشر المسلمين في هذا الحديث عبرة وعظة وأسوة ,فلابد من قتل كل من سب النبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) أو أهانه أيا كان حاله , لما في هذا الحديث من الدلائل :


1- فقد كان هذا الرجل أعمى , وهو من أصحاب الأعذار الشرعية " العمى "ومع ذلك قتل المرأة غضبا للنبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم).


2- كانت المرأة أم أولاده , ولكن غضبه للنبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) أعظم , فقتلها , ولا ينبغي أن يكون غضبنا أقل من هذا الغضب .


3- وقد كان أولاده منها على أجمل ما يكون الولد , ولكن غضبه للنبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) كان أعظم فقتل أمهم لما شتمت النبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) ووقعت فيه .


4- كانت المرأة رفيقة به وتقوم على خدمته , ولكن قتلها غضبا للنبي(صلى الله عليه وسلم)وإرضاءا لله رب العالمين .


فأين شيوخ العار , من أرباب الشرك الديموقراطي , وشيوخ السلطان ومنافقي الحركة الإسلامية , ممن داهنوا بدينهم , واستهانوا بعرض نبيهم (صلى الله عليه وسلم) , من هذا الأعمى صاحب العذر الشرعي الذي قام فقتل أم ولديه عندما شتمت النبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) ووقعت فيه ؟!!!


أين هم من هؤلاء السفلة الأزلام الذين أهانوا النبي(صلى الله عليه وسلم) أعظم إهانة يتصورها عقل , لا نطالبهم بقتل المنتج والمخرج والممثلين , فهم أقل وأذل من أن يفعلوا ذلك , لكن فقط نطالبهم أن يقولوا كلمة حق فقط , ولكنها لا تعمى الأبصار ولكن تعمى القلوب التي في الصدور .


لقد ذهب الجمع المنافق يتحدث عن حرمة الذمي والمستأمن , وتناسى حرمة النبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) , وحرمة عرضه وعرض أزواجه رضي الله عنهن .


وأقول لهذا الجمع المنافق : ماذا لو فُعِل مثل هذا مع رئيس جمهورية أو ملك ممن تعظمونهم ؟


كيف سيكون رد فعل الرئيس وحكومته ؟!! , وكيف سيكون رد الشيوخ التي ملأتها الشروخ ؟!!

فنحن نعلم أن هذا الجمع المنافق قد انتكست فطرته فلا يرجى منه خير , ولا يرجى منه نصرة للنبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) , فهذا الجمع مشغول بالإعتذار عن أوباما ,وعن كلينتون , وعن الكفرة المحاربين ممن يحمون من يسب النبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) ويقتلون المسلمين في ديارهم دكّا بالطائرات والدبابات وبكل الأسلحة الفتاكة .


إن هذا الجمع المنافق مشغول بفض المظاهرات الغاضبة لنبيها , وإدانتها وبيان حرمتها , وكأنهم صاروا من يهود ونصارى أمريكا .


ألا تبا لهذا الجمع المنافق , ألا بعدا لكل المنافقين في كل زمان وكل مكان .


فيا شباب المسلمين , لا تسمعوا لهؤلاء المنافقين , واعلموا أن حكم من سب النبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) أو أهانه هو القتل , وعلى هذا أجمع علماء الأمة من لدن الصحابة إلى يومنا هذا .


قال شيخ الإسلام بن تيمية : ( أن من سب النبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) من مسلم أو كافر فإنه يجب قتله , هذا ما ذهب إليه عامة أهل العلم .


قال ابن المنذر : أجمع أهل العلم على أن حد من سب النبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) القتل , وممن قاله مالك , والليث , وأحمد , وإسحق , وهو مذهب الشافعي ) (الصارم : 9).


قال الإمام الخطابي رحمه الله : (لا أعلم أحدا من المسلمين اختلف في وجوب قتله ) ( الصارم :9).


قال محمد بن سحنون : ( أجمع العلماء على أن شاتم النبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) والمنتقص له كافر , والوعيد جاء عليه بعذاب الله له , وحكمه عند الأمة القتل , ومن شك في كفره وعذابه كفر ) ( الصارم :9) .


فهذا إجماع أمة الإسلام على كفر ووجوب قتل من سب النبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) من مسلم أو كافر حربي , وبالنسبة إلى الذمي هناك خلاف , والراجح قتله .


وأولئك الأوغاد الذين قاموا على صناعة الفيلم .. إنما هم كفار محاربون لله ورسوله (صلى الله عليه وسلم) , ولا ذمة لهم ولا أمان لهم ولا شبهة أمان , فقتلهم واجب حتما , يجب على جميع المسلمين القيام في ذلك .


وأنا أفتي وأدعو شباب المسلمين في أمريكا وأوروبا للقيام بهذا الواجب الحتمي , ألا وهو : قتل المخرج والمنتج والممثلين , وكل من أعان وروّج لهذا الفيلم , فكل هؤلاء كفار محاربون لله ورسوله (صلى الله عليه وسلم) يجب قتلهم , ودماؤهم هدر .


ولمن قتلهم أجر مجاهد عند الله عز وجل , فالبدار البدار يا شباب المسلمين في أمريكا وأوربا , لقنوا هذه الحثالة السافلة درسا تعيه كل القردة والخنازير في أمريكا وأوروبا .


والله من وراء القصد وهو هدي السبيل , والله معكم ولن يتركم أعمالكم.


وفقكم الله وسدد رميكم .


كتبه,,


أحمد فؤاد عشوش





In the name of God the Merciful

Fatwa should be killed director and producer, and representatives of the film abuser

Written by: Ahmed Fouad Achoc

Praise be to Allah, and enough peace and the slaves who chose and after ..

God Almighty said: (Prophet first believers of themselves and their wives mothers) (parties: 6)

فبأبي you and my mother, O Messenger of Allah, Vdenak ourselves, our children, and our wives, and our money, and our families and our tribe, and everything in this world, our offer to offer hedge Nhorna without Nhurk O Messenger of Allah, you are the first us from ourselves, and our wives and mothers, Nhorna without symptoms mothers, not God will not leave alive walking on the ground offended you, or offer your wives may Allah be pleased with them, death is death, murder murder for each of the Salt him himself, and in the Hereafter a humiliating punishment.

God Almighty said: (Those who annoy Allah and His Messenger, Allah has cursed them in this world and the hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating punishment) (Ahzab: 57)

Anger anger of the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), anger anger for our mothers may Allah be pleased with them, victory to God and His Messenger (peace be upon him), shall not be victory but to kill the humiliation, abuse and insults.

Now I fatwas to kill everyone involved in the film industry, and that their blood wastage - the producer and director and actors - even killed on duty both as Muslims, and killed those mentioned is the rule of Islam hyperbolic complex upon them and their ilk.

Have command of the Prophet (peace be upon him) to kill Ka'b ibn Ashraf Jewish, what شبب women Prophet (peace be upon him), said the Prophet (peace be upon him): (from me heeled bin Ashraf it may hurt Allah and His Messenger?, Stood Mohammed ibn Muslim said: I, O Messenger of Allah, Would you like to kill him? said yes ...) modern "See Saarim: 63."

The command of the Prophet (peace be upon him) to kill Ka'b ibn Ashraf for exposure to mention wives of the Prophet (peace be upon him), let alone who Gesdhen on the screen with such insolence and insult shameful, but not only that but also by insulting the Prophet (peace upon him) the greatest insult could imagined Muslim, and it is known Muslim in Islam killing of insulting the Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him), man or woman, whether Muslim or infidel, whether he infidel polytheist or People of the Book, a dhimmi or edematous It says in the modern right from Ibn Abbas may Allah be pleased with him: that blind had a mother born insulted the Prophet (peace be upon him), and it is located, Uwenhaha not expire, and Azgerha not Tensger, when was one night, made located in the Prophet (peace upon him) and تشتمه, took Mongols placed him in her belly and pressed it killed her, Vml that was mentioned to the Prophet (peace be upon him), he gathered the people and said: "sang man did what he did to me it's right but he" said: blind man stood beyond people a Atdldl, even sat in the hands of the Prophet (peace be upon him), said, 'O Messenger of Allah, I am the owner, was to insult you and you, Vonhaha not end, and Ozgerha not Tensger, I have two sons like pearls, and was my companion, and when he was yesterday made to insult you and Vic, I took Mongols فوضعته in her stomach and leaned it until I killed her, said the Prophet (peace be upon him): "Do not you bear witness that the blood wasted." Narrated by Abu Dawood and women) (strict: 61).

This is the rule of the Prophet (peace be upon him) one who swore, it kills and blood roaring, man or woman.

It is said that this woman was Jewish, so Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, commenting on this hadeeth: (They quoted this hadith to kill dhimmi and invalidated by the Covenant) (strict: 62).

And we consorted Muslims in this modern lesson and a warning like, they must be killed every one who insults the Prophet (peace be upon him) or insulted Whatever the case, because this talk of directories:

1 - was this blind man, one of the owners of legitimate excuses "blindness" However killed women anger of the Prophet (peace be upon him).

2 - The woman the mother of his children, but his anger of the Prophet (peace be upon him) the greatest, and killed her, nor should it be anger less of this anger.

3 - The Sons of the most beautiful boy, but his anger of the Prophet (peace be upon him) was the greatest killing their mother what insulted the Prophet (peace be upon him) and signed it.

4 - a woman companion and based on his service, but to kill her anger of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and satisfy God.

Where elders shame, employers shirk Democrat, and the elders of the Sultan and hypocrites of the Islamic movement, who Dahnoa their religion, and underestimated the width of their Prophet (peace be upon him), this blind owner of legitimate excuse that he was killed or it has when insulted the Prophet (peace be upon him) and signed where?!!!

Where are these *******s Cronies who insulted the Prophet (peace be upon him) the greatest insult unimaginable, not asking them to kill the producer and director and actors, they are less and humiliated can do so, but only we want them to say the right word only, but not their eyes, but their hearts which are in the breasts.

I went to combine hypocrite talking about the sanctity of dhimmi and insured, and forgot that the sanctity of the Prophet (peace be upon him), and the sanctity introduced and presented his wives may Allah be pleased with them.

I say to this combination hypocrite: What if I act like this with the President of the Republic of or who Tazmonhm king?

How will the reaction of the president and his government?!! , And how the Senate responds that filled the cracks?!!

We know that this combination hypocrite may reversed his nature not please him better, not please him victories of the Prophet (peace be upon him), this combination is busy apologize for Obama, and Clinton, and infidels warriors who are protecting from cursing the Prophet (peace be upon him) and killing Muslims in their homes Dhaka aircraft, tanks and all the deadly weapons.

The this hypocrite busy gathering broke up demonstrations angry prophet, and condemnation and statement of sanctity, as if they have become American Jews and Christians.

Not damn this combination hypocrite, not every dimension hypocrites in every time and every place.

Via young Muslims, do not listen to these hypocrites, and know that the rule of insulting the Prophet (peace be upon him) or insulted is murder, and on the whole this nation's scientists from thermoplastic companions to this day.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah: (who insults the Prophet (peace be upon him) of a Muslim or an unbeliever, it should be killed, this is the view of the majority of scholars.

Ibn al-Mundhir said: The scholars that the extent of insulting the Prophet (peace be upon him) murder, who said the owner, and Laith, Ahmed, and Isaac, which is the view of al) (strict: 9).

Said Imam rhetorical: (I do not know of anyone of Muslims disagree should be killed) (strict: 9).

Said Mohammed bin Sahnoun: (scholars are agreed that شاتم Prophet (peace be upon him) and المنتقص him an infidel, and the warning came upon the pains of his God, and his when the nation killings, and doubt as to whether this torment Kafr) (strict: 9).

This is the consensus of the Nation of Islam on heresy and the necessity of killing of insulting the Prophet (peace be upon him) from the Muslim or infidel wars, and for the dhimmi there is a dispute, and likely kill him.

Those bastards who have on the film industry .. But are infidels warriors of God and His Messenger (peace be upon him), nor edema them nor their safety not compromised safety, were killed by the duty inevitably, all Muslims must do so.

I fatwas and invite young Muslims in America and Europe to do this duty is imperative, namely: the killing of director and producer, actors, and all who contributed and promoted this film, all these infidels warriors Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him) should be killed, and their blood wastage.

And those who shot Mujahid wage at God Almighty, So hasten, O young Muslims in America and Europe, taught these scum phlegmatic lesson in living apes and pigs in the United States and Europe.

The God of the intent behind the guidance of the way, and God is with you and will not your business يتركم.

May God shot Rmikm.

Written,

Ahmad Fuad Achoc

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I honestly don't know if the furor in the Muslim world over the idiotic film in question has run its course or
may flare up again? (continue reading)
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This will be the 3rd time that I have addressed on this forum the issue of the any 'security' or 'spyware' concern relating to this particular link which I use for my articles on this site. Pastehtml.com is one of many, or, at least, SEVERAL totally free web-page hosting services which allow anyone to host random pages on the web without having to go to the trouble and or expense of registering a domain name, then paying a monthly hosting fee to a webhost service. The trade off is that their advertised name can not be removed from or prevented from being seen by anyone who looks at the hosted pages - small price to pay for having a way to place to link to the main body of an article on sites such as this where the entire article is not allowed to be posted (if it's more than a couple of sentences?).

It is understandable that any security or spyware software which doesn't recognize the site might flag it as suspicious. So far as I am able to tell, there is absolutely NO spam, spyware or any OTHER security concern associated with the site! Otherwise, I wouldn't USE it!

I will check around for future articles to see if I might be able to find a similar service which might NOT trigger any type of security alert.
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I simply reported a potential security threat identified by my firewall. I didn't bother to go back and read all your former posts to see if you'd addressed the issue before. Not everyone reads every thread, so if you keep using that site and it keeps being identified as a potential threat, then you'll keep getting people like me pointing out the problem.

But I'm curious about why you'd have to use that site instead of just posting here... Is it too long? If it's longer than FoxHound's post in this thread then I wouldn't read to the end anyway unless it was VERY good. Is it copyrighted? If so, why not link to the original source?
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Old 09-27-2012, 10:43 AM
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That link triggered a spyware warning on my computer.
That is why you never click on any link provided by, uh, 'interesting people' herein.
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:53 PM
 
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Thanks, JwKilgore, for giving me an opportunity to address this issue more thoroughly - legalsea, you might want to listen:

As can be seen, I've posted quite a few articles on this site, for the short time in which I have been active. If you might go back and look at some of them, they are pretty lengthy, no matter what forum they might have been posted in? Up to and including my post on President Obama, I had been posting the entire article on this site.

When the Obama article disappeared, I didn't know what happened? After inquiring, I believe it was one of the site administrators (without leaving this explanation to go check?) was kind enough to investigate for me and determine what had happened? To make a long story short, one of the moderators of this 'political' forum had simply deleted the post because the entire article had been posted on the site, instead of just a couple of sentences with an external link to the main body of the article. I took the time to re-post that Obama and every subsequent article with a link to the main article, after a couple of sentences. By the way, the eight or nine responses which my Obama article had received were lost with the deletion.

As can be seen, I written ANOTHER article ("Freedom of Speech or Extortion?"), using the same external site (pastehtml), as I wanted to get the article out there while it was still topical. Unless some knows of another way to link off of this site, after a couple of sentences, I am not sure how else to do it? By the way, jwkilgore, sorry if you took my explanation as a criticism,; as, it was not addressed to you personally in ANY way - merely my taking advantage of an opportunity to re-explain the 'security' concern.

Without meaning to address the following statement towards anyone in particular, I have to state that my internet travails would be quite limited, if I didn't feel comfortable enough to over-ride my installed security software during the times when I KNOW that it might be flagging an issue which is of no consequence!

Again, I appreciate the opportunity to address this issue again, and will make an effort to work around this issue. To state again, if anyone knows of a better way around this issue, I welcome your response, thanks!
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