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Originally Posted by Mathguy
Why not just bump one of the posts from over the last 8 years or so saying the same thing?
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That would be the courteous and responsible thing to do, especially since it would save band-width.
Concurring...
Mircea
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Originally Posted by CK78
He's wrong about that. That M.A.D. stuff was never true and was just a slogan from the anti-war movement and fear mongers. The millitary people never believed that.
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Yes, they did believe it. It was taught at various military schools. I know, because I was there. The employment of nuclear weapons was not something that was taken lightly, in spite of what you might think.
In addition to MAD doctrine, there were numerous other doctrines, like escalation doctrine, or what you might call "tit-for-tat." Most of you are clueless about it, and because you are, you draw all the wrong conclusions about the Cuban Missile Crisis.
What is the correct Soviet response to the launch of a US Jupiter Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile from Italy or Turkey upon Moscow?
The correct response is the launch of an IRBM of equivalent kilo-tonnage. The problem was that by definition, the Soviets could not launch an IRBM and strike the US, unless the IRBMs were launched from Cuba or elsewhere in Central America or Canada.
Eisenhower knew that, and Eisenhower was infinitely more intelligent than the babbling idiot Kennedy ever hoped to be, and that is why Eisenhower begged Kennedy not to proceed with the Jupiter missile deployments.
Kennedy, being the stupid arrogant bastard that he was, and egged on by the idiot Social Democrats on his White House Staff (who now call themselves Neo-Conservatives), ignored the advice of Eisenhower, and that's why you ended up with a Cuban Missile Crisis.
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Originally Posted by CK78
They'll use the nukes strategically, not indiscriminately.
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Uh, that has to be one of the stupidest comments I've ever seen.
The use of strategic nuclear weapons
is indiscriminate.
The function and purpose of strategic nuclear weapons is to eliminate a threat country's ability to wage war, by indiscriminately killing and injuring large numbers of people, destroying the manufacturing base, and damaging or destroying the communications infrastructure (which includes rail-roads, highways, air transport, telephone/telegraph, internet, wireless, bridges and many other things).
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Originally Posted by CK78
It's true millions if not billions will die but that leaves a few billion left.
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No, that is not true. It's a simple matter of 8th Grade Spherical Geometry.
S = (9.848 x 10^07) * h / (3.960 x 10^3) + h
Where:
S = Surface Area (In Square Miles) of Earth Seen At a Particular Height
h = The Height In Miles of the Object Above the Earth's Surface
Plug in the numbers and calculate. If I detonate at 35 miles, then
S = (9.848 x 10^7) * 35 / (3.96 x 10^3) + 35
S = 3,446,800,000 / 3,995
S = 862,778 square miles
What I want to do is extend the over-pressure of about 4 psi as far out as I can to kill and injure as many people as possible, and then at 3 psi, I want as many missile injuries as possible (from flying debris like sand, gravel, rocks, masonry fragments, glass shards, wood splinters, jewelry and anything else that can be turned into a missile etc etc etc).
For small yield nuclear warheads, there isn't much over pressure and it doesn't extend very far, maybe several football fields at most.
You've been watching way too many idiotic Hollywood movies. No one in the right mind would ground burst a perfectly good 450 kt warhead. That would be totally stupid and result in less deaths than normal.
The math I did was for maximizing EMP effect, so if I wanted to maximize blast damage with over pressure, I'd want to pop it just under the Troposphere at about 10 miles or so.
If I ground burst a 450 kt warhead on New York City, I'd be lucky to kill 250,000 people, but if I air burst it at at 8-10 miles above the Earth's surface, I have a good chance of killing all 8 Million people.
That's the difference.
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Originally Posted by CK78
Because the war its self will not be enough to get the population down to 500,000,000. It's just a step in the right direction.
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Congratulations.
You just debunked your own premise.
500 Million people is not enough to run the Earth.
What would an Earth of 500 Million people be like?
It would be like your standard, garden-variety 0 Level Economy, which is an Agrarian Economy.
No cell-phones, no internet, no cable TV, no TVs at all, no coffee, no chocolate, no cars, no banks, no microwaves, no nothing.
You would need every swinging dick in the field growing crops or tending herd animals just to feed people from day-to-day, and if you're really, really, really lucky, you might even have enough extra labor to grow cotton or linen or flaxen to make clothes.
See how stupid your theory really is?
How are the wealthy global elite supposed to make money, when they can barely grow enough food to feed themselves?
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Originally Posted by CK78
I suggest praying and getting your soul prepared to be judged by God a more resourceful use of your time than enjoying yourself.
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Ah, well, gosh that explains everything.
You're one of those freaked out christian lunatics. You don't have a soul, and even if you did, it wouldn't matter since there's no one to judge it.
Doctrinally...
Mircea
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Originally Posted by lifelongMOgal
Iran has not been using dollars since the US stepped up sanctions months ago. Russia, China, India and some other nations have been trading oil in gold rather than US dollars for some time.
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Good for them.
That's what happens when your Foreign Policy is FUBAR.
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Originally Posted by lifelongMOgal
Meanwhile, appearances seem to be that the US government fails to prepare for the end of the US dollar as the world's reserve currency.
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Then you need to look more closely.
The US has been preparing for this for some time. That's why you invaded Iraq; that's why you destroyed Yugoslavia; that's why you expanded NATO; that's why you invaded Iraq again; that's why you hammered Libya; that's why you invaded Afghanistan; that's why you're messing with Syria; etc etc etc.
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Originally Posted by lifelongMOgal
We are living world history and a major global paradigm shift.
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No kidding. I told you all that 6 years ago back in 2007.
Doesn't appear that everyone got the memo.
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Originally Posted by lifelongMOgal
Agree with an exact number or not, population control and earth's carrying capacity for humans has long been a subject pondered by the global elite.
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Yes, and it's all bull-****.
I've repeatedly pointed out the grotesques flaws, especially the biases and prejudices, if not the outright bigotry.
You can increase the population 10-fold from 6.6 Billion to 66 Billion with no problems, so long as you understand that you cannot have 66 Billion people living like wasteful destructive Americans, but you can have 66 Billion people living like the Japanese live.
Learn and understand the difference.
Differentiating...
Mircea
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