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Old 06-29-2012, 06:48 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Well if we want to reach, we might conclude anyone who buys illegal drugs is responsible
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Old 06-29-2012, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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The war on drugs is the cause for the Cartel drug wars so why don't we just end the war on drugs make them legal and tax them and then solve the cause of the problem..

there would be no need for fas tand furious type operations or walking guns across the border and it would stop the cross border firefights splilling over into the U.S. and increase the saftey of our men and women Border Patrol Guards and immigration officers.

the war on drugs is the cause of these problems and after 40 years of it failing it is starting get innocent people killed and puts borders towns at risk and yet drug use has gone up not down and the Cartels are making Billions while we spend Billions of tax doolers trying in a failed program to stop them.
I see that you don't recognize that the left has been trying for some time to do away with the 2nd Amendment. Since this has been going on for some time I really believe that they wanted those guns to be used as those two were on the border guard. See, after that happened they reasoned that they could pass some things to ease back the 2nd Amendment. I wonder if part of the reason the AG refuses to give the papers to the House may not be something that shows this to be part of their reasoning.

From the number of bags of drugs being smuggled in by "mules" in a video I saw the other day I doubt that the cartels will play the game much different if we legalize all those drugs.

What kind do you use most? Surely as much as you are for the change you do use something regularly.
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Old 06-29-2012, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I 100% agree we tried the current way of fighting for the last 40 years and time to think about trying a whole new way we approach drug abuse and addiction.

Because as the massive abuse of oxtcontin shows that even Rx drugs can be just as bad as for being abused and we need to deal with the addiction side of it and that is best done by education.

Imagine if tommrow the Govronment banned Cigarettes and made it a felony offense to posses tobacco and you see why we need to fight the addiction side Rather the drugs themselfs bsince peoplechoose to start smoking or choose not to but today the Reason smoking has dropped off by 50% is because of education and Tv ad's that show the side effects.

So far the way we used mass media and a huge push in education on the side effects of smoking the more and more people quit and no more than ever kids decide to never try smoking..compared to when I was their age smoking was huge but it did work and is could be the frame work we use to combat drug addiction also.
Jodi Miller has a video out in which she says the government says more kids are smoking marijuana than tobacco today. She says that may be good. They will reach old age and not remember how they got there.
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I cant argue with that. Hell, im a smoker, and ive been trying to quit on and off for years, but I hate admit it, its kicking my butt. Maybe im just weak willed to allow such a thing such power over me but its got a grip on me like nothing else. So much where part of me just doesnt want to give it up. I cant imagine what id do with some free time or breaks or after eating or in the morning if I didnt smoke. Thats how bad it can be. Ill say thats it im done, but before you know it next thing im in the car on the way to the store.

Anyways, youre right about Oxycotin. I think thats what Rush got addicted to and abused and ive seen someone first hand become addicted to it after taking it for medical reasons.

Id love to crush the Cartels. Besides Al Qaeda, ive never seen such a ruthless evil group of people. The things they do are absolutely horrific. Perhaps if that meant legalizing drugs, maybe we should try it. Itd be a risky experiment but I think we are at the point that we need to try something else. I say it cautiously but I think we should legalize drugs. Not because I condone them, I dont, but what else can we do at this point.
I smoked for 30 years and although I didn't want to quit tried many times but always only for about a week. Finally I promised my new wife that I would stop. Also, I had promised two of my track athletes that I would quit. I was so worried about the times you mention but found that I really didn't have the problems when I really wanted to quit. When I played golf or was at a track meet when I had one going all the time I was sure I was dead, but I found that keeping some sunflower seeds in my mouth at those times kept the desire down. In about 2 weeks I felt I was the victor and sure enough I never did it again.

Ok, I smoked from 18 to 48 and was sure I stopped soon enough to avoid emphysema which is what eventually killed my dad. Here I am 32 years from the habit and what has hit me. Yep, emphysema and I just hope that I can keep it down for a few more years, although it can't be whipped once it gets started.

Throw the damned things away and pray that you got it done soon enough.
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Way,Way Up On The Old East Coast
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Default I jest knowd it be dat ole NRA bunch ! ......... Otay !

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Yes, Eleanor Holmes Norton is proclaiming that the NRA is responsible for Fast and Furious. I think she thinks she can prove that but being from Crazy Town won't allow many to believe her. I was afraid to post this one here since Ms. Norton is not a white woman but whom cares if someone calls me racist for posting something that is the truth, the story, that is. I do wonder if this is a last ditch effort by Democrats to cover up for AG Holder.

De. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-Crazy Town) Says NRA
roysoldboy !!! ... On The Money !

Oh Wait ! ............. Lets not leave out George B. ! ... WHy hail yeah !
He sho musta had ah hand in it dis ! ........ Foe Sho !!!

How pitiful !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ole Sgt. Lamar
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:11 PM
 
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If some of these drugs werent so dangerous, Id be all for legalizing them. Perhaps it would help put an end to the power Cartels have but we really dont know what affect it would have on our own society. Itd be strange to walk around and seeing people getting high in public, injecting themselves with needles. I dont know, itd be a big risk but at the same time, we do legalize alcohol and tobacco. Look at the amount of people killed by those drugs every year. Its sickening.
Legalize pot and you diminish the power of the cartels. That's what mainly is coming into this country. But no Republicans are opposed to that.
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Legalize pot and you diminish the power of the cartels. That's what mainly is coming into this country. But no Republicans are opposed to that.
My son and I were watching a video the other night that showed a whole herd of "mules" some with some very large loads on their backs. My son said why not just take automatic weapons to those of that kind and then you have a dead illegal and his load of marijuana. I have been ready for something like that for a long time but we must give them a chance, it appears.
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