Obama supporters should read this — Living the American Dream (conspiracy, death)
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You're basing this opinion on an assumption that successful people aren't already paying their share of the taxes that fund these public entities. What do you mean "pay it back"? They paid taxes before they became rich, and paid even more taxes after they became rich. Therefore, their debt to society for these public entities is PAID, not due.
Are there some corporate entities who have found loopholes to avoid taxation? Sure! So, let's get rid of these loopholes instead of generalizing all successful people (including the ones who don't have loopholes).
And let's be clear: "Loopholes" were not accidents. They were created by lawmakers for a reason. Usually to encourage investment, or business start-ups, etc. There are many reasons for "loopholes".
People who utilize the deductions ("loopholes") available to them are not criminals, or greedy.
Go cry on your Representatives shoulder for creating them, you stupid liberals!
Dang!!! I really do hate liberals. Sorry, but I do. They are nothing but scum bags!
And let's be clear: "Loopholes" were not accidents. They were created by lawmakers for a reason. Usually to encourage investment, or business start-ups, etc. There are many reasons for "loopholes".
People who utilize the deductions ("loopholes") available to them are not criminals, or greedy.
Go cry on your Representatives shoulder for creating them, you stupid liberals!
Dang!!! I really do hate liberals. Sorry, but I do. They are nothing but scum bags!
Loopholes have less to do with sound economic basis than politicians given large suitcases full of cash. If you think the oil company loopholes makes sense, I can't help you.
But if you are against cutting these non-accidental loopholes, you should have a talk with Mitt Romney, who calls the mortgage deduction a loophole and wants to eliminate it.
It is an easy concept, the wealthier you are the more you benefit from the infrastructure. The workers you exploit use the infrastructure to survive and to get from their home to your workplace. Without the infrastructure you wouldn't have workers because they would be too busy working for themselves to survive. The public infrastructure allows them to take the easy way out so them can devote time to you.
Sure they use the infrastructure for minor personal reasons but most commuters are using the roads because of business interests and to promote commerce.
Heck, most infrastructure, roads, bridges, rails, canals, locks, dams, harbors, Levees, etc are NOT built for the people. They are built for business interests, to move products to make businessmen wealthy. The infrastructure devoted exclusively to people is only maintained as long as business interest benefit from the people served by those improvements. When the mine or oil field is played out the moneyed interests are quick to withdraw fund for the upkeep of the infrastructure.
The working man is being hoodwinked by big business. They are the ones getting wealthy as the debt grows. The working man lives pay check to pay check and chips in taxes at every turn, but the moneyed interests, the ones benefiting from the whole system are dodging the tax man.
FYI, the poor smucks in ghettoland didn't run up the debt. If you want to know who did, FOLLOW THE MONEY. Whoever has all the money, they're the ones responsible for that debt, TIME FOR THEM TO START PAYING IT BACK.
There it is, right there: "The workers you exploit ..."
Employees are "exploited". They are not "hired". Okay... let's not "exploit" anyone. Let's not hire anyone. Let's just stop engaging in commerce, manufacturing, etc. Quit business! That way, no one is "exploited".
Have any of you idiots ever read "Atlas Shrugged?" It's time you did.
The world does not follow your Utopian view.
More Elizabeth Warren non-think! What has happened to education in this country?
How can we have a serious debate if you're going to use rhetoric like "exploit"? This is not some 3rd world country. People CHOOSE the jobs they work in, or they can live off the government here. If they are truly being exploited, they can QUIT just like any other person does. Or, they can use that job as a means to an end by working their way through school, starting a business on the side, etc.
Overall, I'm not debating your concept that wealthy people benefit from the infrastructure. The point you and your supporters fail to realize is those wealthy people PAID their share of it through taxes before and after they became wealthy. For some reason, those paid taxes by MOST successful people are invisible to you guys just because a few corporations weasel their way out of income taxes. Let's work together to eliminate the few and stop demonizing the majority who aren't doing this.
Who said the roads have to be of equal benefit? We don't live in a socialist or communist country. You can't make everything equal. High achieving students benefit more from the public schools, should we tax their future income or redistribute their scholarships to help their lesser achieving classmates?
I'm against corporatism and corporations getting government to fund their business. We're on the same team in that regard, so why don't we work together to eliminate their influence in government or government's ability to build those things? Or better yet, we let each community decide if they want to allow this to happen through ballot measures instead of a one size fits all approach through the feds?
Yep, it's all a rigged game. I guess all those middle and upper class people who grew up in poverty don't count, it's only two types of Americans in your view: the "moneyed interests" and the "working man". Where do most who are in the middle and don't live check to check yet aren't "moneyed" fit into this game?
I grew up in poverty and am no longer in it. There are people who grew up around me with the same opportunities and they didn't take advantage and are now suffering for it. You can feel sorry for people who didn't take advantage of what this country offers, but I don't. What's different about me vs them? I'm no better, I just decided to take action.
Once again, let's work together to get rid of the tax loopholes and favored regulations. We don't need to demonize all successful people as a means to this end. Not all successful people are "moneyed interests" or "dodging the tax man".
The debt drivers are entitlement programs, which are not going to rich people. You'd have a decent debt argument with defense programs (and defense contractors as a result), and I'd work with you to get rid of waste in defense.
Don't waste your breath. I get the feeling these are your typical "Occupiers" posting here. Typical Democrats, and Obamaites. They aren't smart. They are really ignorant. They are non-thinkers. You can't teach them anything. Their minds are closed. They will always be followers, not innovators. They don't have the the entrepreneurial spirit in them. They are forever destined to "victim-hood."
The roads, airports, education system, ALL OF IT would still all be there if it was all PRIVATIZED. Government is a dated and useless concept and should be completely removed.
Dang!!! You are a smart guy!! Why don't YOU run for President! I'll vote for you!! Seriously!
It only costs a billion dollars for a 1 mile a road because the government overcharges for everything in the making of said road. Contractors also know they can rip off the government easily.
Shoot, you're smarter than almost any of these libs posting on here. But they would probblay say you have been "brainwashed", when in fact it is they who have been brainwashed.
These liberals are so ignorant it makes my head spin. How did we ever get to this in such a great country?
Maybe we need another huge influx of people such as yourself to get us straightened out.
The roads, airports, education system, ALL OF IT would still all be there if it was all PRIVATIZED. Government is a dated and useless concept and should be completely removed.
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Dang!!! You are a smart guy!! Why don't YOU run for President! I'll vote for you!! Seriously!
Yep, you two are made for each other, the question is who's leading who? Blind leading the blind and all.
There it is, right there: "The workers you exploit ..."
Employees are "exploited". They are not "hired". Okay... let's not "exploit" anyone. Let's not hire anyone. Let's just stop engaging in commerce, manufacturing, etc. Quit business! That way, no one is "exploited".
Have any of you idiots ever read "Atlas Shrugged?" It's time you did.
The world does not follow your Utopian view.
More Elizabeth Warren non-think! What has happened to education in this country?
Wow, what are you a third grader or something? Look up exploit next time you see your parents dictionary. You might discover that exploit when used as a verb means, "Make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource):".
You're basing this opinion on an assumption that successful people aren't already paying their share of the taxes that fund these public entities. What do you mean "pay it back"? They paid taxes before they became rich, and paid even more taxes after they became rich. Therefore, their debt to society for these public entities is PAID, not due.
I would go further and note that most of these succesfull people directly and indirectly created thousands of jobs, giving those thousands opportunity to prosper. They already paid their debt the best way they could.
I don't think corporations should be taxed at all. People who own them, yes. But the inanimate corporations? No. They can't vote so there should be no taxation without representation, right?
Corporations, which means busineses as most are incorporated this way or another are a blood of this society. Without corporations, without business nobody would be employed. Nobody even state workers and career politicians because without corporations and employment they provide nobody would pay income taxes necessary to pay their salaries.
Corporations should not be taxed. Their owners as anybody else, based on the only fair linear tax i.e. same tax rate for everybody.
The affluent pay and would still pay more than the poor.
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