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Romans 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except by Jesus Christ’s appointment, and the authorities that exist have been instituted by Jesus Christ. 13:2 So the person who resists such authority resists the ordinance of Jesus Christ, and those who resist will incur judgment.
The Greek word archē (authorities) is also used here:
Those who are members of the Occupy Movement are condemned to Eternal Hell-fire and Damnation by Jesus.
Titus 3:1 Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good,
...and here:
Colossians 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
...and here:
Ephisians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
All those who rail against Bush or Obama are condemned to Eternal Hell-Fire and Damnation by Jesus for spitting in the face of Jesus and refusing to do what Jesus asked them to do, which is to accept all authority.
Hey man, whatever it takes to convince yourself you're following the message of Christ. Must be nice to have a religion where you can pick and choose your morality. You must be very self-satisfied. I ain't mad at cha.
The point of my post is that Christ would not have condoned any part of what the Occupiers were doing. They broke laws, and disrespected private and public property. They blocked access to businesses by would be patrons, and in many instances, vendors were prevented from delivering to those business as well.
This was not Christ like behavior by any stretch of the imagination.
Trying to place Christ in alliance with this type of thing is blasphemous, if it isn't just plain ignorant.
Those who are trying to say Christ would have been with these mobs have no idea of who Christ is or what he taught. Very sad.
Well, he did mention something about a rich man, a camel, and the eye of a needle. So, I think he made his views of excessive personal wealth, and the hubris and power-mongerinng that goes with it, pretty clear.
That wasn't the point of that parable. He was not condemning wealth. He wasn't even talking about wealth. He was talking about salvation through Faith in Him (the narrow "door" represented by the "eye of the needle" — Christ is the narrow door). The man's wealth was his "god". Love of money was preventing him from entering the Kingdom of God. But Jesus was not condemning wealth. The mans priorities were wrong. He was not willing to give up anything to follow Christ.
Elsewhere Christ says "whoever loses his life for my sake will find it." Mat 10:39.
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Another thing that is interesting is his view on violence. His "turn the other cheek" advice sure seems to be lost on American conservatives, with all their macho, pistol-packing attitudes.
Wrong again. This was not about Christ's "view on violence." Would Christ expect us to stand by while violence was being done to one of our family members? I think not. He is talking about our general attitude. Our attitude should not be retaliatory in nature. But this has nothing to do with self preservation (defending ourselves).
That wasn't the point of that parable. He was not condemning wealth. He wasn't even talking about wealth. He was talking about salvation through Faith in Him (the narrow "door" represented by the "eye of the needle" — Christ is the narrow door). The man's wealth was his "god". Love of money was preventing him from entering the Kingdom of God. But Jesus was not condemning wealth. The mans priorities were wrong. He was not willing to give up anything to follow Christ.
Elsewhere Christ says "whoever loses his life for my sake will find it." Mat 10:39.
Wrong again. This was not about Christ's "view on violence." Would Christ expect us to stand by while violence was being done to one of our family members? I think not. He is talking about our general attitude. Our attitude should not be retaliatory in nature. But this has nothing to do with self preservation (defending ourselves).
What is amazing that you know EXACTLY what a guy 2000 years ago meant, and you are the only person who has ever read and truly understood the Gospels, and.....surprise! It aligns exactly with your way of thinking!
Sounds like a miraculous deception to me. Give it a rest. You are embarrassing yourself on this thread.
What is amazing that you know EXACTLY what a guy 2000 years ago meant, and you are the only person who has ever read and truly understood the Gospels, and.....surprise! It aligns exactly with your way of thinking!
Sounds like a miraculous deception to me. Give it a rest. You are embarrassing yourself on this thread.
LOL!!! You are hilarious. We have studied the Bible in every church we have been too. This isn't just my interpretation. It has been taught in Sunday school classes, and is also in the notes on the verses in the Study Bible I have. So, the verses have been studied by Bible scholars throughout history, who have knowledge of the original Greek. Yes, Greek. It is important to understanding if you know what the Greek words used were, which give much insight. English translations do not always reveal the depth of meaning.
Not only that, but references to Old Testament passages must be read for complete understanding.
Jesus quoted the Old Testament in his ministry (there was no "New Testament, of course).
What I wrote in my former post is the commonly understood meaning of those parables. Jesus made a lot of comparisons in his parables. You have to dig to understand them, since our culture is much different. In His day, they understood the meaning.
There are many good pastor/teachers who also have Website ministries. Try Grace to You John MacArthur is one of the best you'll find anywhere.
Romans 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except by Jesus Christ’s appointment, and the authorities that exist have been instituted by Jesus Christ. 13:2 So the person who resists such authority resists the ordinance of Jesus Christ, and those who resist will incur judgment.
The Greek word archē (authorities) is also used here:
Those who are members of the Occupy Movement are condemned to Eternal Hell-fire and Damnation by Jesus.
Titus 3:1 Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good,
...and here:
Colossians 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
...and here:
Ephisians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
All those who rail against Bush or Obama are condemned to Eternal Hell-Fire and Damnation by Jesus for spitting in the face of Jesus and refusing to do what Jesus asked them to do, which is to accept all authority.
Debunking Common Dreams....
Mircea
Acts 5:29 is most interestin starting g in the context of your post, here. Reading it of course in context,at least starting at Acts 5:25 it is clear that the apostles, at times obeyed God over obeying any man. They said this clearly, and were saying it in context of having been confronted by an authority accompanied by soldiers.
Romans 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except by Jesus Christ’s appointment, and the authorities that exist have been instituted by Jesus Christ. 13:2 So the person who resists such authority resists the ordinance of Jesus Christ, and those who resist will incur judgment.
The Greek word archē (authorities) is also used here:
Those who are members of the Occupy Movement are condemned to Eternal Hell-fire and Damnation by Jesus.
Titus 3:1 Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good,
...and here:
Colossians 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
...and here:
Ephisians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
All those who rail against Bush or Obama are condemned to Eternal Hell-Fire and Damnation by Jesus for spitting in the face of Jesus and refusing to do what Jesus asked them to do, which is to accept all authority.
Debunking Common Dreams....
Mircea
Dang, Mircea! I'm so impressed! Bravo! I'll say it again, Bravo!!! I had no idea you were a believer!
But that doesn't mean we should not point out when they are wrong, and when they are clearly harming our nation by their bad policies. We have a duty to our country to preserve what God has given us, and not blindly follow or accept the bad judgement of a President. They are not gods.
Just because you have managed to weasil a lot of money into a big pile does not mean that you are entitled..to every pile of cash...These overly rich guys have this idea that if they have the bulk of the cash - that the rest also belongs to them...or at least should belong to them.
This is the problem with our system..That those who make gathering money into big piles the only purpose for existence.....
Like my utility company..who think they can steal from me because they are so big...It used to be they would charge you for electricity...and you would pay just that.....
Now...they have all these imaginative charges....bird sits on wire and shorts out for a second...2 dollars lost in transmission fee...YOU PAY IT.....
"Debt retirement' - 20 bucks...YOU PAY IT...but no one tells you how much the debt is....or when they expect it to be paid off....the debt is eternal...
Lastly...you are late with your payment........................a fine of 100 bucks......
I used 60 dollars of power and my bill says 500 dollars owing?
AND that smiling contractor that came to the door and left a red card saying we are going to cut off your power....He wants 200 bucks for dropping off a piece of red card board with a threat on it.
This is what we allow...and submit too....If I owe you 60 bucks I will pay you 60 bucks.....why do you get a 440 dollar bonus just for being a bully...?
Remember: Most of those extra charges are mandated or at least allowed by legislation passed in Congress. Tell it to your Congressmen.
Oh, and electricity rates are extraordinarily high because we are not allowed to use coal anymore, nuclear has not been permitted for many years, and utilities are being charged for what the government perceives as producing pollutants (CO2 which all plants need to grow, and humans exhale ever minute).
Conservatives have far more in common with the money changers in the temple than those who followed Christ.
Get over yourself.
First, it was reported that OWS was tired of all the homeless showing up to eat at their camps and were complained about to a great extent.
I think Jesus would find himself a place at OWS to here there sins for forgiveness.
Thou Shall NOT Covet Thy Neighbor's Goods. Sounds anti-socialist and anti-communist to me.
PS: Conservatives seem to give more to charitable causes than Libs.
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I had no idea you were a believer!
