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Old 04-03-2012, 12:49 PM
 
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...i spent 40 years in the supermarket busines...the 'organic' label is the bigest hand job ever foisted on the american consumer, next to bottled water...unless you grow it in your own backyard you have absolutely no way of knowing if it is truely organic...
..and 'natural' is even more meaningless.
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Old 04-03-2012, 12:57 PM
 
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you have to read the referred-to report for the details.

http://cornucopia.org/cereal-scoreca...eal_Report.pdf

The Cornucopia Institute

it actually kind of blows a big hole in the OP's premise, as everything certified organic scores well...
So if a product says 'organic' I guess it really doesn't contain GMOs - right?

"Genetically modified foods have become so ubiquitous in the US that even the grocery store ‘Whole Foods’ now admits it cannot keep biotech foods off its shelves. A representative for the corporation acknowledged in May of 2011 that the realities of the marketplace have forced a shift in the company’s previous no-GMO’s policy.

Joe Dickson, quality standards coordinator for Whole Foods Markets, notes that GMO’s dominate the market, especially for corn, soy and canola crops from which ingredients in most processed foods are derived.

“Until there’s federal government mandated labeling of GMO ingredients, there’s no way to tell if packaged products contain GMO ingredients,” Dickson said. “Our approach is to work in the spirit of partnership with our suppliers … to encourage them to take active steps to avoid GMO ingredients.”

In spite of public skepticism about GMO foods, the FDA has backed Monsanto and other corporations, declaring that modified foods do not require special labeling letting consumers know they are eating Frankenfoods. This is in contrast to the European Union, where public concern over health issues resulted in a moratorium on GMO’s. Many European countries, including France, Germany, Greece, Austria and Luxembourg have banned genetically modified foods, while other countries in the EU permit their sale only when products include clear labels of GMO ingredients.

Whole Foods Admits Its Organic Foods Contain GMOs, Tries to Play Victim – Hayden’s Note | Truth is Treason
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:00 PM
 
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geneticly modified.....in other words...evolution
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Where do you think producers store onions until they're ready to ship?
Ever hear of a root cellar?
Do you really think they just come out of the field and into the store with no refrigeration?
Theres a reason your non-organic onions last that long.
Oh well, I grow my own, I'll start pulling them next week.
Onions are not shipped under refrigeration. They're shipped in dry vans which are vented to allow air circulation. If they don't get air, they'll rot.
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:36 PM
 
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So if a product says 'organic' I guess it really doesn't contain GMOs - right?
that's a requirement for USDA organic certification, right.

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The use of GMOs is prohibited in organic production and handling. The NOP regulations prohibit the use of GMOs as “excluded methods” under 7 CFR § 205.105, “Allowed and prohibited substances, methods, and ingredients in organic production and handling.”
http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getf...TELPRDC5090396
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However, the inadvertent presence of GMOs in organic seeds does not constitute a use because there was no intent on the part of the certified operation to use excluded methods. The presence of detectable GMO residues alone in an organic seed does not constitute a violation of the NOP regulations.
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Onions are not shipped under refrigeration. They're shipped in dry vans which are vented to allow air circulation. If they don't get air, they'll rot.
I said stored, not shipped.
This is from the USDA;
"Pungent, dry onions can be stored for 6 to 9 mo at 0 °C (32 °F) with 65 to 75% RH. High RH induces root growth, while high temperature induces sprouting. A combination of high temperature and high RH increases rotting and decreases quality. Storage below the freezing point of -1 to -2 °C (30 to 28 °F) is recommended in Europe. Mild type or sweet onions can be kept for 1 to 3 mo; they are stored in common storage with cool, circulating ambient air or in refrigerated cold rooms. Onions grown from seed store better than those grown from sets or transplants."
http://www.ba.ars.usda.gov/hb66/099onion.pdf
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Old 04-03-2012, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Where do you think producers store onions until they're ready to ship?
Ever hear of a root cellar?
Do you really think they just come out of the field and into the store with no refrigeration?
Theres a reason your non-organic onions last that long.
Oh well, I grow my own, I'll start pulling them next week.
I never needed to refrigerate onions b/c I almost always go through them before they're turn bad, but that's beside the point. I'll take non-organic veggies that stay good for more than a few days over organic veggies w/ a fraction of the shelf life.
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Northern Va. from N.J.
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We had a march and rally at the EPA in D.C. this past Friday
Alexis Baden Mayer of "Organic Consumers Association spoke about how Monsanto is poisoning the babies in the wombs are women like herself with genetically modified foods and super-toxic herbicides and pesticides
Organic Consumers Association


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Old 04-03-2012, 06:44 PM
 
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Organic...if you didn't plant it in your backyard, fertilized with your own s#it... it ain't organic.
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Old 04-03-2012, 09:41 PM
 
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Organic...if you didn't plant it in your backyard, fertilized with your own s#it... it ain't organic.
A few weeks ago I planted some carrots and my neighbor's cat "fertilized" it.
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