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Old 02-28-2012, 08:36 PM
 
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Imagine a Catholic priest telling his followers that what Jesus preached was not necessarily to be believed? That the Bible was written so long ago, that those things don't matter anymore?

Why do so many allow their politicians to get away with breaking their oath?

I'm very disturbed by this new mantra by the left about the Constitution not mattering anymore.

Congressman: ‘I don’t worry about the Constitution’

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Old 02-28-2012, 08:41 PM
 
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Most all churches do not follow the teachings of its own laws.


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Old 02-28-2012, 08:46 PM
 
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Old 02-28-2012, 08:51 PM
 
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Imagine a Catholic priest telling his followers that what Jesus preached was not necessarily to be believed? That the Bible was written so long ago, that those things don't matter anymore?

Why do so many allow their politicians to get away with breaking their oath?

I'm very disturbed by this new mantra by the left about the Constitution not mattering anymore.

Congressman: ‘I don’t worry about the Constitution’

Thoughts?
I was not aware Phil Hare spoke for all of progressivism. We can eliminate this troublesome endeavor all together go with single-payer.
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Old 02-28-2012, 08:56 PM
 
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I was not aware Phil Hare spoke for all of progressivism. We can eliminate this troublesome endeavor all together go with single-payer.
It will never happen. Nor should it.

If so many people are for it, it should be simple to get a constitutional amendment.

Right?

If so many people are for 0b0mbacare, why is it mandatory? People usually do the things they want on their own.

Right?

I keep hearing from lefties that "most Americans want universal healthcare".

Right?
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Old 02-28-2012, 09:12 PM
 
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Imagine a Catholic priest telling his followers that what Jesus preached was not necessarily to be believed? That the Bible was written so long ago, that those things don't matter anymore?

Why do so many allow their politicians to get away with breaking their oath?

I'm very disturbed by this new mantra by the left about the Constitution not mattering anymore.

Congressman: ‘I don’t worry about the Constitution’

Thoughts?
You are confusing an article of law (the Constitution) with and article of faith. The constitution itself has been amended numerous times over the last two hundred years, when was the last time the Bible was updated? What is stopping us today from scrapping the Constitution altogether? It's not the word of God; it is not perfect, and it is not beyond changes. Perhaps you should ask instead how can it be improved?
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Old 02-28-2012, 09:13 PM
 
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a man that has not passed a balanced budget in 3 years has no problem telling u does not care that much about the constitution.
throw the rascals out.
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Old 02-28-2012, 09:16 PM
 
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You are confusing an article of law (the Constitution) with and article of faith. The constitution itself has been amended numerous times over the last two hundred years, when was the last time the Bible was updated? What is stopping us today from scrapping the Constitution altogether? It's not the word of God; it is not perfect, and it is not beyond changes. Perhaps you should ask instead how can it be improved?
I would add term limits for congress.

I would eliminate all spending that is not included in the enumerated powers.

All spending MUST be filtered though the constitution.
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Old 02-28-2012, 09:38 PM
 
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It will never happen. Nor should it.

If so many people are for it, it should be simple to get a constitutional amendment.

Right?
It's aburdely difficult to an amendment. A lot of people were against gay marriage too--and that amendment never popped up either.

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If so many people are for 0b0mbacare,
You're such a child.

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why is it mandatory? People usually do the things they want on their own.

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I've discussed this, as have others, numerous times. The logistics of Obamacare require an individual mandate. We could as easily slip it into the tax code and run it universally, but that's just crazy-talk.

The ACA has three big premises, and several small ones. The big ones are the inability of insurance companies to reject you based on per-existing conditions. The second is a insurance exchange which promotes competition, and the third is the individual mandate to purchase insurance.

The third element is necessary in order to prevent abuse of the first. If someone broke their arm, without insurance, they could call an insurer, and that insurer must cover that person. Before, they could write off the arm as a per-existing condition. Not forcing people to buy insurance, while forcing insurance companies to cover them, would lead to rampant abuse. It's also the massive problem with Ryancare that was proposed. They're essentially the same plan, minus the mandate.

The problem with the mandate is its transparency. You could get the same money by making it a tax instead of an individual mandate. What the mandate does is essentially show you exactly where those tax-dollars go to work. If people knew where their tax dollars were actually going, we wouldn't be paying for 90% of the **** we do. The ability for citizens to put money in a collective pot to be spent in a variety of ways, without the knowledge or work on the citizens part, is preferable. SuperPACs are the same way. Before Citizen's United, a wealthy individual could produce their own attack-ad with their own name. With SuperPACs, all they have to do now is right a check and set the SuperPAC on its way.

With the individual mandate, we have to do all the administrative work, and people hate it. With single payer, the government handles the administrative work, we have 100% coverage, lower costs, treatment is between the doctor and the patient, which leads to better care.

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I keep hearing from lefties that "most Americans want universal healthcare".

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Right--rather, Americans used to. In the past few years, the Republican Propaganda Machine has successfully told a story of "government takeover" to bring "socialized medicine" via "death panels" to Americans. Those words sound familiar? That's how Fox News and the conservative Pundits spoke about Obamacare. Oh, let's not forget about Obamacare either, because there was already resentment over Obama being president in the first place.

That, and Americans are just really stupid. Present it to them as single-payer, or universal coverage, and they're all for it. Tell them it's socialized medicine, they're against it. It isn't socialized medicine, nor is it government takeover, and there never were or can be death-panels in it. The only death-panels were pre-2009 insurance companies.

The neo-conservatives sold a very effective story by, as usual, scaring people into seeing things their way. Now, when you talk about single-payer or universal health-care, most--how do you people refer to them, 'useful idiots?'--in this country only think of death-panels and socialism, instead of what single-payer actually is.
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Old 02-28-2012, 09:39 PM
 
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Imagine a Catholic priest telling his followers that what Jesus preached was not necessarily to be believed? That the Bible was written so long ago, that those things don't matter anymore?

Why do so many allow their politicians to get away with breaking their oath?

I'm very disturbed by this new mantra by the left about the Constitution not mattering anymore.

Congressman: ‘I don’t worry about the Constitution’

Thoughts?

For leftists, the end justifies the means. They don't care at all about principles or legal niceties.

Exempt the state of Nebraska from medicaid payments in exchange for voting in Obamacare? No problem.

Loan hundreds of millions to Solyndra knowing it's a bad investment? Sure.

Bailout GM and give the investors' money to the unions? Why not?

Ignore the immigration laws so you can get the Latino vote? Yes, please

Paint your political opponents in the Tea Party as being potentially violent domestic terrorists while virtually ignoring dozens of actual violent crimes by OWS? Check

Accuse virtually anyone who doesn't support Obama of racism? Yep

Involve the nation in an armed conflict in Libya without consulting or even informing Congress? Sure

Pass Obamacare using reconcilliation when you don't have the votes to do it the proper way? No problem

Support Wisconsin senators refusing to paticipate in the legislative process when they know a vote won't go their way? Why not?

Promise the Catholic Church they won't have to fund contraceptives or abortions to get them to support Obamacare, then once election year comes up, go back on your word and force them to fund those things anyway then accuse them of a "War on Women" when they object? Business as usual

The list goes on and on. It's not just one thing here or there. Conservatives don't have a squeaky clean record. But it's just way over the top on the left wing.

Leftist politicians will break the law and ignore the constitution knowing that leftist media won't report it and if it does go to court, leftist judges will simply reinterpret the law to support it. And the public at large won't take the time or effort to look beyond the rhetoric.

That's how you get situations like having the Democrats ignore their constitutional requirement to produce a budget for year after year after year while burying all the Republican proposals, and then go on TV and complain about how the Republicans are the obstructionist Party of No.
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