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Old 02-08-2012, 08:23 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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When will Republican bigots realize that this will NOT go away? Straight people do not deserve special rights.
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Metro DC area
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In reference to the bolded part -

What? Why on Earth would you assume that only white gays feel this way and not any of the minority homosexuals (to include blacks) don't share that opinion?

The reason they draw parallels is pretty obvious and, IMO, pretty accurate.

In both cases the people in question were being denied access to marry who they loved based on an attribute that they, ostensibly, had no control over. Moreover, there was no solid legal basis to deny it to the parties in question, other than majority "didn't like the idea".

You honestly don't see the correlation?
The gays that I know who use the "black card" are white. No black gay person that I know uses the IR/Civil Rights Movement argument in why they want to get married. They simply say "We should be able to marry who we want". Therein lies the difference. Why do white gays feel the need to reference IR/Civil Rights movement?

And, no I don't see the parallel at all. IR marriage did not redefine marriage (between a man and a woman). I see absolutely no correlation between the two.
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Metro DC area
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When will Republican bigots realize that this will NOT go away? Straight people do not deserve special rights.
Why do you assume that those who oppose gay marriage are Republicans? And bigots?
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:29 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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The gays that I know who use the "black card" are white. No black gay person that I know uses the IR/Civil Rights Movement argument in why they want to get married. They simply say "We should be able to marry who we want". Therein lies the difference. Why do white gays feel the need to reference IR/Civil Rights movement?

And, no I don't see the parallel at all. IR marriage did not redefine marriage (between a man and a woman). I see absolutely no correlation between the two.

What makes the "definition" of marriage so sacred? Why on Earth can or should it not be "redifined"?

Who is in charge of the "definition" of marriage, anyway?
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:30 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Why do you assume that those who oppose gay marriage are Republicans? And bigots?

Because the vast majority of them seem to be? Bigots, certainly, if not Republicans....
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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To my knowledge, laws against sex discrimination refer to male vs female discrimination. Other laws apply to sexual orientation, and again to my knowledge, federal laws don't apply, nor do laws in most states.

I'd say DOMA, until it's ruled unconstitutional, is pretty good evidence that ssm isn't Now a 'civil' right. Add to DOMA, court cases that conflict with the 9th circuit and the statement that ssm Is a civil right amounts to hopeful thinking.
But the CA court had already ruled that it was a right in CA. Which is why this current ruling can be argued doesn't apply nationally. The federal equal protection law requires each state to treat its citizen equally. Prop 8 setup an unequal standard in CA.
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:34 AM
 
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What makes the "definition" of marriage so sacred? Why on Earth can or should it not be "redifined"?

Who is in charge of the "definition" of marriage, anyway?
God
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:36 AM
 
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Marriage is defined by state (not federal) law.
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:38 AM
 
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Marriage is defined by state (not federal) law.
Marriage is defined by God. It's not up to states to redefine it.
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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The gays that I know who use the "black card" are white. No black gay person that I know uses the IR/Civil Rights Movement argument in why they want to get married. They simply say "We should be able to marry who we want". Therein lies the difference. Why do white gays feel the need to reference IR/Civil Rights movement?

And, no I don't see the parallel at all. IR marriage did not redefine marriage (between a man and a woman). I see absolutely no correlation between the two.
You may not know her, but blacks do use the IR/Civil Rights movement argument. Meet Bishop Flunder.

[Note: the audio doesn't start right away for some reason]
Bishop Yvette Flunder on Marriage Equality on Vimeo
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