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Old 02-07-2012, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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The courts decision makes perfect sense.

If homosexuals can have every right under marriage by the state, except for the name "marriage" that is a violation of their civil rights.

Going to the Supreme court. The federal government shouldn't have any say in marriage, it shouldn't acknowledge any of them.
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:11 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Looks like the only person who knows what they are talking about in this thread is pghquest.
Maybe in your mind, but those of us with a non-biased sense of logic would tend to disagree... keep patting yourselves on the back, though, if it gets you through the day.
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:14 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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So what's the big deal?

For the life of me I cannot understand why people like you get so worked up over this.

It doesn't affect you, you don't lose anything tangible but gays gain a lot. So it's a win, no lose situation. Are you that bitter that you don't want other people to pursue life, liberty and happiness?
I know, right? That's what I don't understand either! I am not personally affected by this law, and it doesn't bother me at all... why on earth WOULD it matter to me/us, if some other happy couple is allowed to marry? I'm beginning to think it's merely an issue of stubbornness, and refusal to admit they are wrong - because there's no other reason to oppose this issue, in terms of logic and law. Silly.
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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» 9th Circuit holds Prop. 8 violates 14th Amendment - Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion

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The Court essentially used a bootstrap argument — that since there was a prior right to samesex marriage (based on a California Supreme Court decision which gave rise to Prop. 8 ) — the taking away of that right without justification violated the 14th Amendment. Judge N.R. Smith filed a 39 page dissent from this finding.
Judge Walker should have NEVER been allowed to hear the case in the first place.

How he got away with holding a trial on the intentions and mental state of the proponents is beyond me.
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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The 9th Circuit does not merely get overturned but a lot of the times their unanimous decisions get overturned unanimously.
Are you suggesting that this court's decision has a better chance of not being overturned since the ruling was not unanimous?

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Old 02-07-2012, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Somewhere Out West
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Judge Walker should have NEVER been allowed to hear the case in the first place.

How he got away with holding a trial on the intentions and mental state of the proponents is beyond me.
Well if Judge Walker shouldn't have been allowed to hear the case, neither should a heterosexual be allowed to hear the case. They have an inherent bias as well.

Anyone know of an asexual judge or maybe a eunuch who could hear the case?
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Berkeley, CA
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» 9th Circuit holds Prop. 8 violates 14th Amendment - Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion



Judge Walker should have NEVER been allowed to hear the case in the first place.

How he got away with holding a trial on the intentions and mental state of the proponents is beyond me.
Every single argument they had against gay marriage was effectively shot down. Did you read the transcript? This is why they are in so much fear of the tapes being release. Opponents of gay marriage simply have no foot to stand on because their whole argument is a nonsensical defense of prejudice.


The fact that prop H8ers think Walker should have been removed from the case just illustrates the deep-seated prejudice against gays. Apparently they feel a heterosexual judge as opposed to a gay judge is the only one capable of being fair on issues of marriage. As if only men should rule on issues of women's rights and only whites should preside over issues of minority rights. Talk about being blind to your own hypocrisy.
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities, MN
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» 9th Circuit holds Prop. 8 violates 14th Amendment - Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion



Judge Walker should have NEVER been allowed to hear the case in the first place.

How he got away with holding a trial on the intentions and mental state of the proponents is beyond me.
So if a heterosexual judge was presiding he'd have been automatically biased against gay marriage? Or is it just gays who are "automatically biased" due to their sexual orientation?
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Berkeley, CA
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Being White is not being colorless while everyone else is colored. Being Male is not being genderless. And being Hetero is not being absent of sexuality. The status quo is not to be confused with impartiality. EVERYONE belongs to a partial group. Gay marriage foes can't see that.
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Every single argument they had against gay marriage was effectively shot down. Did you read the transcript? This is why they are in so much fear of the tapes being release. Opponents of gay marriage simply have no foot to stand on because their whole argument is a nonsensical defense of prejudice.


The fact that prop H8ers think Walker should have been removed from the case just illustrates the deep-seated prejudice against gays. Apparently they feel a heterosexual judge as opposed to a gay judge is the only one capable of being fair on issues of marriage. As if only men should rule on issues of women's rights and only whites should preside over issues of minority rights. Talk about being blind to your own hypocrisy.
Fascinating and yet one of the three disagreed. It'll be overturned.
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