Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
They generally exclude casinos too. If SHS is so dangerous for everybody else, why isn't it dangerous enough to gamblers to ban it in casinos too?
Money, that's why. It's been proven that if smoking is banned in casinos, a goodly portion of those gamblers will just go somewhere else to gamble, taking their money with them.
.
Hypocrisy hypocrisy hypocrisy!
In Ohio, nursing homes were allowed to designate ONE specified room for their residents to smoke in, which is all well and good. Also though, It is clearly stated that no employee shall be permitted to smoke in such rooms. My question is....why? If the residents are smoking in them anyway, what would it matter if an employee joined them and had a cigarette in that room?
Answer?
Control...... hypocrisy and control.
Quote:
Originally Posted by old_cold
You bet your sweet bippy I do!
Good to hear. Tried to rep you but apparently I have to spread it around a little.
Frank Carbonni
Quote:
Especially since I don't take the odd "If it's written by a doctor it is invalid" stance
I don't take the stance that if it's written by a doctor, it's automaticly bias. Infact, the links provided to me and the studies contained therein may well have been completely legit. However, I asked for a specific study with even more specificity on the criteria of who and or what conducted that study. So, for the purposes of my challenge, those particular studies were not valid in the fact that one was conducted by a gov't agency and the others by medical institutions. Though, I have never once said that studies by these types of organzations are surely bias.
Quote:
Not many people can say they disagree and dislike something, but still think that it is not the government's place to play morals police
You are absolutely right. If you hate smoking.....fine. If you think "smokers are filthy pigs" { as Ive seen a poster say on another thread } Fine. But, when it comes to regulation and the gov't stepping in and dictating what we do as private citizens in our privately owned businesses, on our private property and in our homes, smokers and non-smokers alike SHOULD all be up in arms together.
Last edited by WhipperSnapper 88; 01-30-2012 at 05:42 PM..
Well, I had hoped that we could get along. I am truly not one of those belligerent anti-smokers but simply voiced some curiosity. I would be an absolute hypocrite if I took such a stance and I have no problem respecting your choices, even if I think they are dangerous. It's your life, not mine and that's all there is to it.
"We're not gonna take it"? Funny, that's what a lot of the anti's are saying to YOU.
I can't believe this thread is still going. Everyone should've just admitted, "Yeah, it's stupid to trap your kids in a car full of cigarette smoke" and moved on.
Well, I had hoped that we could get along. I am truly not one of those belligerent anti-smokers but simply voiced some curiosity.
You will forgive me for making that assumption I hope. Because normally, those who start these types of threads are.
Quote:
I would be an absolute hypocrite if I took such a stance and I have no problem respecting your choices, even if I think they are dangerous. It's your life, not mine and that's all there is to it.
And thats all anyone arguing on my side is really asking for, a little respect and the recognition that we smokers are humans and deserve the same decency afforded anyone, and the right as private property owners to make our own decisions.
To show you I'm a fair sport, here is some rep for the above comments.!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vic 2.0
"We're not gonna take it"? Funny, that's what a lot of the anti's are saying to YOU.
Thats right. And one of the big differences is, most of them are actually doing something about it while the majority on my side continue to peck away at their keyboards and post silly videos. { No offense to you stilkit }
{ somewhat understandable though, considering the anti's are the ones with all the funding, power, and authority. }
Quote:
I can't believe this thread is still going. Everyone should've just admitted, "Yeah, it's stupid to trap your kids in a car full of cigarette smoke" and moved on
True, we should ALL admit that. But there is much more to the issue than just that. Too many people are oh so content to just "move on" because they don't see just how important the issue is.
What people subject defenseless kids who have no options to is most certainly my business. Doesn't matter if the kids are their own; they're no less deserving good health than my son, and it doesn't matter if you disagree. If you see a kid get punched in the face by their mom or dad, are you gonna do something or mind your own business?
Further, even your thoughts and beliefs can affect society indirectly, which includes me. If someone is foolish or ignorant, you can bet it stands a chance to harm you sooner or later. Trade that cliche for some critical thinking.
Someone else's children and how they parent is none of YOUR or my business. Smoking is not a crime, you are trying to subject and force YOUR choices and your lifestyle on others and while it is right for you, that does not make it so for others nor does that make it gospel.
Energy is better spent doing something about drinking and driving, texting and driving, talking on the cell while driving and lord forbid putting makeup on while driving then trying to force your dislikes and personal choices on others.
"We're not gonna take it"? Funny, that's what a lot of the anti's are saying to YOU.
I can't believe this thread is still going. Everyone should've just admitted, "Yeah, it's stupid to trap your kids in a car full of cigarette smoke" and moved on.
Is it stupid because you say so? What else will you tell everyone else to do?
Young kids generally have no option when the family decides to go someplace. They have to ride in the car with all the smoke. Thus, they are trapped. And are you actually going to argue this? G'head, what does the defense say?
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88
Thats right. And one of the big differences is, most of them are actually doing something about it while the majority on my side continue to peck away at their keyboards and post silly videos. { No offense to you stilkit }
{ somewhat understandable though, considering the anti's are the ones with all the funding, power, and authority. }
What I meant in my reference to "We're not gonna take it" is that a non-smoker shouldn't have to take in cigarette smoke in a public place. I don't tend to agree with "Whatever I do in the privacy of my own home has no effect on you" either, but it's at least better than people wanting to smoke in public. The debate over secondhand smoke's harmful effects aside, everyone has the right to choose what goes into their body.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chromekitty
Someone else's children and how they parent is none of YOUR or my business. Smoking is not a crime, you are trying to subject and force YOUR choices and your lifestyle on others and while it is right for you, that does not make it so for others nor does that make it gospel.
Once more, this specific case (people smoking in the car with children) IS my business as the children cannot defend themselves in any way. How they parent is my business as well, because the consequences of how they raise their kids sifts into society. Unless you live on an island cut off from the rest of the world, what you do DOES impact others. Denying it doesn't make it any less true.
And no, I'm not trying to force anything on anyone.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chromekitty
Energy is better spent doing something about drinking and driving, texting and driving, talking on the cell while driving and lord forbid putting makeup on while driving then trying to force your dislikes and personal choices on others.
Yeah, no one's doing that. But luckily, these things are not mutually exclusive. I can call the whole lot of these things stupid just as easily as I can pick a few.
But answer my question. If you see a kid get punched in the face by their mom or dad, are you gonna do something or mind your own business?
So, I guess subjecting your child to possible irreversable brain damage is good parenting, all things considered. After all, we all know a child who doesn't play a contact sport is doomed to a life of failure. .
Life involves risks. I pity the children of parents who are obsessed with eliminating risk from their lives. How boring.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
.
