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Old 12-30-2011, 12:36 PM
 
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Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost View Post
Lets just go with "National ID"... that way, people can not only be identified as citizens, but also voters. That ought to make conservatives happy.
Nononono!

Washington instituting ID laws: Tyranny!
Austin instituting ID laws: Common sense.
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Old 12-30-2011, 12:41 PM
 
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South Carolina also gives out free photo ID. I dont see how its discrimination at all, most states require you to pay money for a ID. All it takes is to not be lazy and request a ID..
And transportation and paperwork.

There are a few people around who weren't born in hospitals and who weren't issued birth certificates. There are a few people around who don't drive and who've lost their birth certificates. There is no legal or logical justification for denying these people the right to vote.

What I find confusing is that historically conservatives have been opposed to forcing citizens to obtain identification papers. The idea of mandating that every citizen should prove their citizenship was at one time anathema to the spirit and principles of being an American.

If voter fraud were such a rampant problem, then there would be many more court records of voter fraud being committed. We have some prosecutions of voter registration fraud, a different animal altogether, but considering the size of the population, voter fraud is virtually nonexistent. And yet voter ID laws are all about solving the problem of voter fraud. A virtually nonexistent problem. Why?
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Old 12-30-2011, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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"if". Free ID, free ride to the DMV to get that free ID and only 30 people called in..30. That from a previous post.

Why are you fighting so hard for people that don't give a damn ?
Because even the lazy, uneducated, disabled, ignorant and people who don’t give a damn should be allowed to vote. Remember that voting is a right not a privilege.

If you sit around and let people takeaway the rights of the underprivileged what will stop them when they decide to take your rights? First the bottom 1%, next the bottom 10 and then what? Get where this is headed?

Safeguards are being put into place to protect you against an imaginary buggy man. And it’s a ploy to limit the amount of undesirables voting.
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Old 12-30-2011, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And transportation and paperwork.

There are a few people around who weren't born in hospitals and who weren't issued birth certificates. There are a few people around who don't drive and who've lost their birth certificates. There is no legal or logical justification for denying these people the right to vote.

What I find confusing is that historically conservatives have been opposed to forcing citizens to obtain identification papers. The idea of mandating that every citizen should prove their citizenship was at one time anathema to the spirit and principles of being an American.

If voter fraud were such a rampant problem, then there would be many more court records of voter fraud being committed. We have some prosecutions of voter registration fraud, a different animal altogether, but considering the size of the population, voter fraud is virtually nonexistent. And yet voter ID laws are all about solving the problem of voter fraud. A virtually nonexistent problem. Why?
I think it's more fear of the future..not what has or hasn't happened in the past. The illegals today do have benefits from the USG that none of us ever thought would happen.

Plus our government is so big and bloated that fraud is rampant in other programs and not caught until publicized by the MSM.

A proactive move to protect our voting rights as citizens of the United States. Why would any citizen be against that ?

With 1-2 years notice there should be no reason one cannot get an ID even if they have no birth certificate because state governments take that into account given their age.

Maybe you missed it a few posts back...free ID and free transportation to get the ID and only 30 people called in for it.
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Old 12-30-2011, 12:53 PM
 
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Again, the obama administration is on the wrong side of the American people, as an overwhelming majority APPROVES of voter ID laws.

The democrats need to squash these laws because they depend so much on vote fraud.

Both SC and Texas should sue, as SCOTUS upheld Indiana's tough voter id law in 2008.

This is all politics of course, expect nothing less from obama.

The only reason the DOJ gets a veto is because of the Voting Rights Act. How long must these states be under the thumb of the DOJ when there is no longer racial discrimination?
It doesn't mater if the overwhelming majority approve or not. These laws are on the wrong side of the constitution, plain and simple.
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Old 12-30-2011, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Texas
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It doesn't mater if the overwhelming majority approve or not. These laws are on the wrong side of the constitution, plain and simple.
Not according to SCOTUS in 2008
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Old 12-30-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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Is that a trick question? Census number vs. issued driver's licenses. Wow, that was hard. Now, one might surmise that the Texas authorities haven't been all that eager to run that query.

Anyway, 2006 survey:

http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/...file_39242.pdf

- 11%

Indiana-only survey, 2007:

http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/d...iana_voter.pdf

- about 13%

Does double-digit count as "sizeable"?
You can't go by issued DL's! There are people who CAN'T get a DL. There are NON DL photo ID's for those people, so those need to be included also.
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Old 12-30-2011, 01:01 PM
 
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You can't go by issued DL's! There are people who CAN'T get a DL. There are NON DL photo ID's for those people, so those need to be included also.
Presumably, there's a government database of those as well. Add them to the query.

Did you check the links? Generic photo ID only.
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Old 12-30-2011, 01:03 PM
 
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And transportation and paperwork.

There are a few people around who weren't born in hospitals and who weren't issued birth certificates. There are a few people around who don't drive and who've lost their birth certificates. There is no legal or logical justification for denying these people the right to vote.

What I find confusing is that historically conservatives have been opposed to forcing citizens to obtain identification papers. The idea of mandating that every citizen should prove their citizenship was at one time anathema to the spirit and principles of being an American.

If voter fraud were such a rampant problem, then there would be many more court records of voter fraud being committed. We have some prosecutions of voter registration fraud, a different animal altogether, but considering the size of the population, voter fraud is virtually nonexistent. And yet voter ID laws are all about solving the problem of voter fraud. A virtually nonexistent problem. Why?
Oh stop it already. People with NO BC ever?!?! That's laughable, because they don't exist then and never did. They wouldn't even be able to REGISTER to vote! How do they prove who they are for ANYTHING at all? They can just call themselves whatever they want. How did they get an SS number?????? You can't be serious with that statement.
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Old 12-30-2011, 01:05 PM
 
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Because even the lazy, uneducated, disabled, ignorant and people who don’t give a damn should be allowed to vote. Remember that voting is a right not a privilege.

If you sit around and let people takeaway the rights of the underprivileged what will stop them when they decide to take your rights? First the bottom 1%, next the bottom 10 and then what? Get where this is headed?

Safeguards are being put into place to protect you against an imaginary buggy man. And it’s a ploy to limit the amount of undesirables voting.
The 2nd amendment is a right too and you need ID to practice that right.
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