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Old 11-01-2011, 11:05 AM
 
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I believe that thier efforts are imed at the wrong target. Yes we can all agree that there are some real scum bags on wall street. We just about all agree that lobbying in DC needs to be regulated a lot more.
But the bottom line is that is the elected reps who have broken the faith with America. Their backroom deals, their love affair with the power brokers and money brokers. Its our elected reps these people shoild be blameing.
If my wife has an affair I blame her. She broke the faith. I dont blame the scumbag she is bedding. I might hate him might have no respect for him but is my wife I blame.
Our elected reps took an oath and they have betrayed the people. Not just the Dems, the repubs too. How can anyone say one party acts any differently than the other?????
Take that very same analogy and realize that when your wife is handed a change in the terms and conditions of marriage, she's no longer able to be your wife. That is to say, she's intrinsically beholden to those writing the terms and conditions of marriage. That would be the 1% being grieved.

It's beyond parties, even 3rd parties. The probability that every single politician for 50 + yrs is inherently crooked is slim. They're being forced into it even when they don't want to. Change the terms and conditions often enough before you know it the boss is telling you to rob a bank and the law is on his side to fire you. They'll black list you in an industry over insubordination refusing to rob a bank, and then the tumor spreads to all industries. What's wrong with this picture?

Challenge that 1% to be responsible for themselves they come at you with both barrels in smear jobs. Demand they be held accountable and they buy a SCOTUS judge to overturn verdicts. They're incompatible with civilization. To view them as anything less than financial terrorists is a delusion none can afford. It's not an accident. They meant it.
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Old 11-01-2011, 12:01 PM
 
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You're defending crooks every time you've impeded dems from enacting transparency laws. You're defending crooks when you let citizens united go unchallenged, then lay blame in every direction but toward yourself for outcomes.

Who dictated the terms and conditions that all are forced to march by? 99% don't get the privilege of doing business in a shadow as they're doing.
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Dodd Frank will do nothing of the sort.

The housing and financial markets were crashed by BUSH INC AGENDA demanding banks loan to unqualified buyers.

What happened afterward was inside baseball.
Fixed that for ya. Frank Dodd was the beginning of reforms that have been fought by Tea party defending Western civilizations abuser. We agree it's inside baseball, but that inside baseball was institutionalized by whom?

They mean to run systems into the ground by putting sugar in the gas tank, then blame the car. The way to bankrupt social security is to lump on enough people who don't pay into the system and stand idly by watching it twist in the wind. That's why Bush inc expanded medicare coverage without holding themselves to paying for it. That's why corrupt systems enacted by pharma haven't been challenged by any republican. Republicans do not defend business. They defend high end crime undermining legitimate business.

The way to destroy the constitution is to change the rule of law to read that 'rights' are a means to avoid responsibility & abuse others. Not to enable people to be responsible for themselves. The way to destroy a nation from within is to abuse the role of Fed, fire the cops, and hand off 'responsibility' to well heeled mobsters. That's what 'privatization' translates out to be in real time on the ground. Fact is they've created an arrangement where the rudder isn't manned yet the salary for the duty has been cashed in on for decades. Teflon don 101.
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As head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission [CFTC], Brooksley Born became alarmed by the lack of oversight of the secretive, multitrillion-dollar over-the-counter derivatives market. Her attempts to regulate derivatives ran into fierce resistance from then-Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan, then-Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and then-Deputy Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, who prevailed upon Congress to stop Born and limit future regulation. This is the edited transcript of an interview conducted on Aug. 28, 2009.
Why didn't you listen? Why persist lying to yourselves even at this late date? Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
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Old 11-01-2011, 12:06 PM
 
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Then wouldn't that make one a hypocrite? To be demonstrating to overthrow the system while being a part of that system?
When the tumor of shadow banking is destroying the banking system for the whole of western civilization, overthrowing the tumor is not out of line. You're defending tumors at the behest of tumors via think tanks.
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Old 11-08-2011, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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I think we can all agree with some of the points the sane "occupiers" make ("sane occupiers" are key words.. there's very few of them...most are anarchists, socialists, and communists who are using terrorist tactics to advance their agenda (like shutting down the port of Oakland))....I just don't agree with the way they are trying to get their message out. I've been fed up with banks and the financial system (and the government, which includes both Democrats and Republicans) long before they started illegally camping infront of city hall (like here in LA) but I want to try to understand the system and try to fix it, they want to destroy the system completely and start over....they just don't know with what??!!.....

-Chris
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Old 11-08-2011, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Says the person who has a job ... I'm glad you had the opportunity to bounce back from your temporary unemployment.

It is better to work hard than not to work at all ... But if you where currently unemployed(fired/laid off) and could not find legitimate gainful employment and became homeless, then what would you do?
Keep looking. I was almost in that situation. I didn't give up, though I felt like it many times. take the first job that came your way....work a mininmum-wage job for a while if you have to....get help from a charity or religous group....most of the "Occupiers" are not homeless.....in fact, some we're trying to keep the homeless out!!

-Chris
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