Palenstine and the United Nations (Colin Powell, Congress, Palestinians, middle east)
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Why are the United States, Canada, European Union and Russia opposed to Palestine's bid to acheive statehood? I've been reading the online newspapers reading about how these states are opposed to Palestine's bid in the UN, but the newspapers don't explain the background and why they're opposed. Does Palestinian statehood encroach or compromise Israeli territory, sovereignty, or something?
Why are the United States, Canada, European Union and Russia opposed to Palestine's bid to acheive statehood? I've been reading the online newspapers reading about how these states are opposed to Palestine's bid in the UN, but the newspapers don't explain the background and why they're opposed. Does Palestinian statehood encroach or compromise Israeli territory, sovereignty, or something?
One of the issues is Jerusalem which Israel has declared as its undivided capital. The Palestinians also want to make part of Jerusalem their capital.
Another issue is that missile attacks from the Hamas controlled Gaza area continue periodically on Israeli civilian targets.
Why are the United States, Canada, European Union and Russia opposed to Palestine's bid to acheive statehood? I've been reading the online newspapers reading about how these states are opposed to Palestine's bid in the UN, but the newspapers don't explain the background and why they're opposed. Does Palestinian statehood encroach or compromise Israeli territory, sovereignty, or something?
Our foreign policy in the Middle East is owned and controlled by right wing Neocons or right wing pro-Israeli Likudniks. Are you naive to think for one moment fairness, or higher principles play a part in US decision making?
Why does the World even care what the US thinks? It's been obvious for Decades we are not an honest broker. Politicians on both sides are tripping over themselves trying to prove how pro Israel and anti-Paletianian they are.
Move on World. The USA is corrupt and on a downward spiral.
And don't put Russia an the EU in the same basket as the US when it comes to Palestine. If not for the US, the Palestinians would have had their stolen land returned to the long ago.
Last edited by padcrasher; 09-21-2011 at 01:54 AM..
Is one allowed to question that reality, or is the pro-Israel lobby so strong, financially and politically, that the relationship with Israel is taboo and therefore unmentionable? And what happens to those who dare expose the unmentionable? In March 2006 the American political scientists John Mearsheimer (University of Chicago) and Steve Walt (Harvard) published the controversial article 'The Israel Lobby and US foreign policy'. In it they state that it is not, or no longer, expedient for the US to support and protect present-day Israel. Together with the power shifts in Congress and the increasing doubts about the current Middle-East policy, this could become the fuse in the powder keg. Backlight talks to the people concerned in this 'new realism' debate. The documentary sheds light on both parties involved in the discussion: those who wish to maintain the strong tie between the US and Israel (Neocon Richard Perle, the Lebanese Christian Brigitte Gabriel and evangelist John Hagee, the lobby club AIPAC), and those who were critical of it and not infrequently became 'victims' of the lobby. Member of Congress Earl Hilliard from Alabama advocated a rapprochement with the Arab world and was promptly ousted by a political adversary who had the support of Aipac money.
The historian Tony Judt, who tried to maintain that Israel was becoming a belligerent and intolerant ethno-state, driven by religion, found a lecture canceled at the last minute. And the Human Rights Watch Director Kenneth Roth was personally attacked after he had criticized the violence Israel had used in the mini-war against Lebanon last summer. Finally the question arises in how far the pro-Israel lobby ultimately determines the military and political importance of Israel itself. Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson (Colin Powell's ex chief-of-staff) explains in how far the lobby's influence affects the decision-making structure in the White House. Member of Congress and Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich is asked in how far today's politicians can stay out of reach of the long arm of the pro-Israel lobby. The lobby, Congress, the White House and Israel itself seem to have ended up in a suffocating embrace: will it ever change and how could it?
There are NO "Palestinians". Where was all the talk when that area belong to other ARAB nations?
I think the US should pull out of that area(as well as Europe and SE Asia) and let things progress however they go. Those people have been at war with each other for the entirety of recorded history.
Israel will have to put them in their place ... again, they will feel comfortable just prior to the stone age.
Very dangerous to Israel and the Middle East. This issue being politicized by 2 leading GOP candidates, shows they have no understanding of the issues or don't care.
FACT CHECK: GOP candidates overreach on Israel - Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/news/article/FACT-CHECK-GOP-candidates-overreach-on-Israel-2180935.php - broken link)
Originally Posted by padcrasher
If not for the US, the Palestinians would have had their stolen land returned to the long ago.
If the Arabs and Jews in 1948 would have fought each other, then none of these threads would exist. If the bordering countries simply supplied arms, then again we would not be having these threads. The Arabs could have stated their independence and named it whatever. Instead the surrounding Arab nations crossed the border of the mandate and attacked the Jews from multiple sides. They told the Arabs living in the mandate to leave and that they would be able to return once all the Jews were dead. Thus the Arabs never had the chance to declare themselves thanks to the bordering Arab nations. In 1949 when the Armistance lines were drawn, the Arabs could have had a state at that point. Instead Gaza and Judea/Samaria were annexed by Egypt & Jordan. The US gov't had no part of this. We are at this juncture because the Arabs of the mandate still want it all.Gaza and Judea/Samaria were taken from Egypt & Jordan and not from any independant Palestinian country. The Palestinians could have worked out a deal over the past 40ish years with the Israelis. But each and everytime they came near a resolution the Arab leaderships added more items to their wish list.
If for some reason you think Israel could be undone, Then Belarus also needs to undone. The Jews could not move back to Poland because the Russians made everything east of bialastok into another country. Thus any returnees had no land to return too since it was in another country and all deed records were destroyed.
Thus the Arabs fought people in 1948 that had no where to go and now the Israelis are fighting Arabs who are not wanted in any other Arab country and also have no where to go. But the main difference here is that the Palestinians wont settle for some over nothing, while the Israelis did.
Why are the United States, Canada, European Union and Russia opposed to Palestine's bid to acheive statehood? I've been reading the online newspapers reading about how these states are opposed to Palestine's bid in the UN, but the newspapers don't explain the background and why they're opposed. Does Palestinian statehood encroach or compromise Israeli territory, sovereignty, or something?
Because the Palestinians is still obligated to negotiate statehood vis-a-vis the Oslo Accords.
If the Palestinians had accepted UN Resolution 181 way back in 1947, they would have the very state they are now demanding. Indeed it would be bigger than anything they can hope to get now.
Furthermore, Palestine will ultimately encompass the West Bank and Gaza. Until 1967, these chunks of land were controlled by Jordan and Egypt respectively. Why the hell did they not establish Palestine when they had the chance?
I do not mean to imply Israel is blameless in all of this. Far from it. But this move is reckless.
Our foreign policy in the Middle East is owned and controlled by right wing Neocons or right wing pro-Israeli Likudniks. Are you naive to think for one moment fairness, or higher principles play a part in US decision making?
Why does the World even care what the US thinks? It's been obvious for Decades we are not an honest broker. Politicians on both sides are tripping over themselves trying to prove how pro Israel and anti-Paletianian they are.
Move on World. The USA is corrupt and on a downward spiral.
And don't put Russia an the EU in the same basket as the US when it comes to Palestine. If not for the US, the Palestinians would have had their stolen land returned to the long ago.
Your 'explanation' does NOTHING to explain why the EU,Canada and Russia oppose Palestinian statehood....
There are NO "Palestinians". Where was all the talk when that area belong to other ARAB nations?
I think the US should pull out of that area(as well as Europe and SE Asia) and let things progress however they go. Those people have been at war with each other for the entirety of recorded history.
Israel will have to put them in their place ... again, they will feel comfortable just prior to the stone age.
The US has been holding back Israel for too long.
The arabs did not even care about this part of the desert until the jews came along and developed it.
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