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Old 07-29-2011, 01:48 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Social Security = Big Lie

Most Americans are led to believe that they 'pay into' a trust fund, and that they are 'owed' entitlements.
Worse, they will fight to the death in opposition of any reduction in what they believe they are entitled to.
But that's based on a BIG LIE.

Property Rights: The Hidden Issue of Social Security Reform, Cato Social Security Choice Paper No. 19
It has long been law that there is no legal right to Social Security. In two important cases, Helvering v. Davis and Flemming v. Nestor, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Social Security taxes are simply taxes and convey no property or contractual rights to Social Security benefits.
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Socialist InSecurity was and is nothing but a scam, a tontine, a means to raise taxes in the midst of the Depression, while creating a self interest bloc that will madly fight for their share of the treasury regardless of the consequences to the nation. In short, they're recipients of a bribe, paid by current taxpayers, dispensed by the jolly Congress - masters of bribery. It is abominable that parents are misled to enroll their infants into FICA before they even leave the hospital.

There is no way to reform SocSec. The only viable solution is to withdraw from it.
Of course, you do know that participation is 100% voluntary. If there was a law compelling participation, it would be involuntary servitude and unconstitutional in the United States of America.

Don't believe me - go read the law. Or write a polite questionnaire to your congressman:
1. What law compels all Americans in the USA to enroll in FICA?
2. What law punishes any American who does not participate in FICA?
3. What law punishes any American business that hires unnumbered Americans?
4. If participation is voluntary, what is the official procedure to withdraw from FICA?
Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer. Most folks only receive silence.
(Is that "Hotel California" playing in the background?)
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Old 07-29-2011, 08:46 AM
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Social Security = Big Lie

Most Americans are led to believe that they 'pay into' a trust fund, and that they are 'owed' entitlements.
Worse, they will fight to the death in opposition of any reduction in what they believe they are entitled to.
But that's based on a BIG LIE.

Property Rights: The Hidden Issue of Social Security Reform, Cato Social Security Choice Paper No. 19
It has long been law that there is no legal right to Social Security. In two important cases, Helvering v. Davis and Flemming v. Nestor, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Social Security taxes are simply taxes and convey no property or contractual rights to Social Security benefits.
==============================
Socialist InSecurity was and is nothing but a scam, a tontine, a means to raise taxes in the midst of the Depression, while creating a self interest bloc that will madly fight for their share of the treasury regardless of the consequences to the nation. In short, they're recipients of a bribe, paid by current taxpayers, dispensed by the jolly Congress - masters of bribery. It is abominable that parents are misled to enroll their infants into FICA before they even leave the hospital.

There is no way to reform SocSec. The only viable solution is to withdraw from it.
Of course, you do know that participation is 100% voluntary. If there was a law compelling participation, it would be involuntary servitude and unconstitutional in the United States of America.

Don't believe me - go read the law. Or write a polite questionnaire to your congressman:
1. What law compels all Americans in the USA to enroll in FICA?
2. What law punishes any American who does not participate in FICA?
3. What law punishes any American business that hires unnumbered Americans?
4. If participation is voluntary, what is the official procedure to withdraw from FICA?
Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer. Most folks only receive silence.
(Is that "Hotel California" playing in the background?)
They can check it out any time they want, but they will never believe?
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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They can check it out any time they want, but they will never believe?
Egg Sal Lent !
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Old 07-30-2011, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I have worked with US citizens who never had Social Security policies issued to them. They use personal EINs in the place of SSNs. I have my own EIN as my employer suggested that each of us have an EIN just in case we ever needed one.

I have assisted people in filing the forms to opt out from SS. I have been in many discussions about the options of opting out or staying in; I decided to stay in SS.

I do pay into SS.

Even now that I am on pension, a bit of my pension continues to go into my SS policy.



If you believe that SS is wrong, then you likely belong to one of the religious faith groups that fought for 'opting out' decades ago. File the IRS forms which state that you are a member of one of those said groups and poof your SS account is gone. Every penny you have paid into your account is gone. No refunds.

It must be your belief system that the government is evil and SSA is completely satanic. [Or else you would have never asked to join in the first place right?]


http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f4361.pdf

Publication 517 (2010), Social Security and Other Information for Members of the Clergy and Religious Workers

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8274.pdf

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f4029.pdf
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Old 07-30-2011, 08:33 AM
 
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I choose not to pay in.
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Old 07-30-2011, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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I'm not sure 'big' is enough of an adjective to cut it. Maybe:


‪Nine Inch Nails-Terrible Lie (Remastered)‬‏ - YouTube
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Old 07-30-2011, 08:46 AM
 
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If you believe that SS is wrong, then you likely belong to one of the religious faith groups that fought for 'opting out' decades ago. File the IRS forms which state that you are a member of one of those said groups and poof your SS account is gone.
So now you are encouraging people to lie to the federal government?
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Old 07-30-2011, 08:50 AM
 
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A lie? My wife worked 30 years, paid into the system and guess what? She receives a check in the mail once a month and lo and behold she also receives medicare. I guess she's entitled, hence, in her case, it's not a lie but the truth.
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Old 07-30-2011, 09:12 AM
 
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Most Americans are led to believe that they 'pay into' a trust fund, and that they are 'owed' entitlements.
That's a load of BS. There is a ton of information on Social Security everywhere. Like the program or not, it's a load of crap that people are misled about it. There's plenty of information around. That's akin to saying that the average person thinks that a magic fairy lights up with you turn on a lightbulb.
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Old 07-30-2011, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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So now you are encouraging people to lie to the federal government?
Wow that is an interesting twist to put onto my words.

As far as I know I have not encouraged anyone to lie to anyone.

I did not mention anything about lying.

You brought up the idea of lying, not I.

Is lying on your mind?
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