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Old 07-11-2011, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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No what he is saying is since the repubs had no problem raising the debt ceiling while Bush was in office, they should have no problem now.
How is that different? It's like saying there should be no accountability for anyone. R's and D's have all had their hands in the spending spree, so to say one or both should keep spending simply because they didn't care before is nonsense. This is just more of using the last guy as an excuse for screwing tax payers... again!

How about giving us a GOOD reason to keep spending like drunken sailors, huh?
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Old 07-11-2011, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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Go ahead and impeach if it will make you feel better. The Senate won't convict and you will be where you started. The remedy if the President claims the 14th Amend gives him the authority is to sue, not impeach.

BTW, as irresponsible as Republicans are with the debt ceiling I don't blame anyone for thinking about the 14th.
I disagree. We'll have wasted lots of time and money doing it. You'd actually be farther behind than when you started.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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How is that different? It's like saying there should be no accountability for anyone. R's and D's have all had their hands in the spending spree, so to say one or both should keep spending simply because they didn't care before is nonsense. This is just more of using the last guy as an excuse for screwing tax payers... again!

How about giving us a GOOD reason to keep spending like drunken sailors, huh?
The debt ceiling is not a budget debate. It's just a vote on how to pay for the spending that Congress already approved.

What we have here are hypocrites that had no problem ordering off the menu and now are refusing to pay the check that the waiter brought to the table. At this point your choice is cash or credit. Oh? You don't have the cash, then your choice is credit.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Looks like the right are throwing a tantrum after Obama and the dems slammed them into the corner with the colossal spending cuts that were brought to the table.
we need colossal cuts

the spending has increased 44% since 2007
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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we need colossal cuts

the spending has increased 44% since 2007
Sure. Unless you didn't notice, there is a huge recession which is causing additional spending. What you are proposing is slashing benefits to the unemployed just when we have lots of unemployed.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Sure. Unless you didn't notice, there is a huge recession which is causing additional spending. What you are proposing is slashing benefits to the unemployed just when we have lots of unemployed.
uhm

the recession didnt cause spending
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Currently I physically reside on the 3rd planet from the sun
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No what he is saying is since the repubs had no problem raising the debt ceiling while Bush was in office, they should have no problem now.
Well the Republicans did something wrong, doesn't that mean it's ok for me too?
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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uhm

the recession didnt cause spending
If you say so.



“Income security” is unemployment insurance, food stamps, SSI, refundable tax credits — in short, the social safety net. Medicaid is a means-tested program that also serves as part of the safety net. Yes, spending in these areas has surged — because the economy is depressed, and lots of people are unemployed.

What we’re seeing isn’t some drastic expansion of Big Government; we’re seeing the government we already had, responding to a terrible economic slump.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:43 PM
 
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They would be talking impeachment because they know they can't beat him in 2012.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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If you say so.



“Income security” is unemployment insurance, food stamps, SSI, refundable tax credits — in short, the social safety net. Medicaid is a means-tested program that also serves as part of the safety net. Yes, spending in these areas has surged — because the economy is depressed, and lots of people are unemployed.

What we’re seeing isn’t some drastic expansion of Big Government; we’re seeing the government we already had, responding to a terrible economic slump.
oh please

from 2008 to present

defense spending has increased 16%....... 593b to 673b
medicare spending has increase 29%....... 386b to 498b
medicaid spending has increased 44%..... 201b to 299b.....medicare/ciad makes up nearly 800 billion of our spending and is INCREASED big time each year
ss spending has increased 17% ........ 612B to 719b

the budget 'projects' the costs yearly for 10 years beyond

by fy 15(just 3 years from now)

ss federal COST will be................ 900 billion
mediCARE federal COST will be...... 650 billion
mediCAID federal cost will be........ 400 billion

for a total of just those 3.........over 2 trillion A YEAR, and rising every year

in fact obama's projected DEFICITS will be nearly 1 trillion a year for the next 10 years...and that's just the "on-budget" stuff..the "off-budget" stuff like emergency funding to flood/tornado areas,or funding to other countries..is straight to the debt



revenue from 2000 to 2008 went up over a half a trillion (2.09 trillion in 2000, and 2.74 trillion in 2008 (numbers are down currently with the recession) ....so its not a revenue problem....and spending has gone from a FY 2001 a budget of 2 trillion to a 2008 budget of 2.9 trillion.. to a 2010 budget of 3.8 trillion.....its the spending that's killing us


governmet spending will do nothoing to get the jobs back

what the government should do:
cut/eliminate the corporate tax (we have the highest corporate rate in the WORLD)
eliminate all the bush/clinotn/bush/obama freetrade agreements
bring back IMPORT TARRIFFS (to include on american compaines making their products in mexico like GE)

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