The Kent State Massacre (insurance, companies, cost, bias)
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Originally Posted by sol11
Your comments drew a smile from me,....it so eloquently described your attitude toward the government and the National Guard in question. For all we know, you may have been in the thick of the protest and are now trying to justify your actions by blaming someone else.
No, I wasn't in Ohio but if I were I certainly would have been at the protest and will continue to fight against narrow minded little twits who believe indiscriminate killing of civilians is a fine thing. For all we know you were one of the shooters and are trying to ease your conscience, IF you have one. Or is it far too much of an assumption thinking you have even an inkling about what brought about these protests nand what was going on in the country at the time?
Really? What is it that justifies firing indiscriminately into a crowd?
And if the government hadn't been so damned stupid sticking its nose where it had no business being those kids wouldn'thave been shot either. I know which I think was the greater evil, unfortunately those in the government were never punished for their wrong-doing.
What justifies firing in to a crowd is the fear that said crowd will rush the Guardsmen. Whether or not that was a reasonable belief at the time I am unprepared to say with certainty. The government has every right to be in a place in which civil disorder threatens others.
No, I wasn't in Ohio but if I were I certainly would have been at the protest and will continue to fight against narrow minded little twits who believe indiscriminate killing of civilians is a fine thing. For all we know you were one of the shooters and are trying to ease your conscience, IF you have one. Or is it far too much of an assumption thinking you have even an inkling about what brought about these protests nand what was going on in the country at the time?
The 4th video I posted above is pretty telling; the second video shows some of the big old horrors of the Vietnam War.
The big thrust was to bring our military members home.
Night after night, on the news, we saw the names of all of the US military members who were killed that day.
Do you know what that's like? For what?
We were killing people in other countries to bring our style of "democracy" to them?
And what were we doing at home with our democracy? Killing college students.
No matter the protesters beliefs, there is never an acceptable excuse for our military to draw down on and murder it's fellow countrymen.
The guardsmen should have been charged and put on trial.
Sorry, but that "just following orders" nonsense is wholly unacceptable in a civilized society.
They should have been. The Soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre were put on trial, why not these guys? Incidentally, John Adams got them off.
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Originally Posted by Cavaturaccioli
What justifies firing in to a crowd is the fear that said crowd will rush the Guardsmen. Whether or not that was a reasonable belief at the time I am unprepared to say with certainty.
I've read enough and talked to someone who was there, I'm prepared to say with certainty it was not a reasonable belief
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Originally Posted by Cavaturaccioli
The government has every right to be in a place in which civil disorder threatens others.
What I meant was if the government had not stupidly stuck its nose into the Vietnamese Civil War none of this crap would have ever happened.
I wouldn't have shot unarmed civilians.
What were armed soldiers doing on a campus?
Were you even born when this happened?
And this, perhaps the most damning:
No, I was not born then. I was born 3 years later! However; as I have stated, I live in NE Ohio, my wife went to Kent, and it is brought up all of the time. The ONG would not have been called had the situation not escalated to a mob situation! Again, from what I've learned from the Vietnam War, we had no business being there! I too feel this way about the BS in the Middle East, and even more so, considering there is no draft. What didn't make it right was the alleged "peaceful protests" such as this, where businesses in Kent were vandalized, the ROTC was burned down, and rocks thrown at soldiers. Furthermore, I don't condone the treatment that the soldiers coming home received, like being spat on, and called baby killers, when a lot of them were sent there by our government, and had to deal with the crazy s*** going on over there! Talk about a total mind f***! No wonder a lot of them are messed up! My father-in-law was one of the unfortunate ones to be drafted, and had to go over there! A lot of those ex-Vietnam vets weren't thrilled about the war either! But again, vandalism, rioting, arson, and throwing rocks is NOT a peaceful protest, now is it? In that respect, those participating in the violence are bafoons, and it's too bad, that they weren't the ones shot! The violent protesting is where the hippy movement loses credibility! Which is ironic, because it was supposed to be based on peace and love!
Well then don't, but why chastise those who do. You have no idea what impact this had on other people's lives. For many people this left permanent scars, physical and emotional, it's just not for you to say how best they should deal with it. Did you remember the Freedom Rides yesterday? I did.
And of course, just like Woodstock, you were there.
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Originally Posted by chielgirl
The 4th video I posted above is pretty telling; the second video shows some of the big old horrors of the Vietnam War.
The big thrust was to bring our military members home.
Night after night, on the news, we saw the names of all of the US military members who were killed that day.
Do you know what that's like? For what?
We were killing people in other countries to bring our style of "democracy" to them?
And what were we doing at home with our democracy? Killing college students.
I've read enough and talked to someone who was there, I'm prepared to say with certainty it was not a reasonable belief
What I meant was if the government had not stupidly stuck its nose into the Vietnamese Civil War none of this crap would have ever happened.
I'm sure your friend who was there is telling a competely unbiased story there. And I'm sure he was able to take the whole huge event in all at once and know comprehensively what was going on and what was in everyone's mind at the time.
Just because Kennedy got us involved with Vietnam doesn't excuse lawlessness on the part of half-informed overexcited college kids.
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