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Old 04-14-2011, 06:26 AM
 
Location: London, U.K.
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If homosexuality is a 'mistake' then is bisexuality one to? I can still procreate so its its not exactly a barrier or handicap.
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Old 04-14-2011, 06:32 AM
 
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Once you resort to name calling, you've lost your argument.
Yes. You did.
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Old 04-14-2011, 06:38 AM
 
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No, there is no such implication. I have stated my belief that homosexual desire is not a choice. If you had bothered to read my posts, you would have seen that I made that clear.

Rather, as I have also made excruciatingly clear, homosexuality is a condition that is not normal -- a part of the brain or the endocrine system or what have you, that did not develop properly. JUST AS some people have diabetes, asthma, etc. These things are deviations from normal physiology.

Instead of reading my posts and responding thoughtfully to my comments, you chose to go right to name calling.
Asthma and diabetes cause health problems for the people who have those conditions. What problems do homosexuals have other than discrimination and bigotry from others?
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Old 04-14-2011, 06:41 AM
 
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Surely you failed to explain the concept correctly, as what you wrote is nonsensical.
That's only because you are probably not aware of the studies the poster is referring to.
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Old 04-14-2011, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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LOL! You must have had to search hard for a non anti-gay religious source for that. Because that's usually the only place you'll find that sort of anti-gay "junk science". So let's see the original source for the quote you posted?

Vol. 22, No. 6 - Access to Energy Newsletter (http://www.accesstoenergy.com/view/ate/s41p830.htm - broken link)

Additional readings for the AIDS article in Access to Energy 22-3 are "The Longevity of Homosexuals Before and After the AIDS Epidemic,'' by P. Cameron, W. L. Playfair, and S. Wellum, Omega Journal of Death and Dying29, pp 249-272 (1994) and "AIDS: The Epidemic that Never Was,'' New African, pp 8-11, December (1993).


The source is Paul Cameron -founder of the anti-gay hate group the Family Research Institute. A de-registered psychologist and anti-gay propagandist, long known for his inflammatory statements, distortions and misrepresentations (aka bald faced lies) about homosexuals. Yet many anti-gay religious based sites still continue to use Cameron as a source.
On December 2, 1983, the American Psychological Association sentPaul Cameron a letter informing him that he had been dropped from membership. Early in 1984, all members of the American Psychological Association received official written notice that "Paul Cameron (Nebraska) was dropped from membership for a violation of the Preamble to the Ethical Principles of Psychologists" by the APA Board of Directors.5

At its membership meeting on October 19, 1984, the Nebraska Psychological Association adopted a resolution stating that it "formally disassociates itself from the representations and interpretations of scientific literature offered by Dr. Paul Cameron in his writings and public statements on sexuality."6

In 1985, the American Sociological Association (ASA) adopted a resolution which asserted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented sociological research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism" and noted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has repeatedly campaigned for the abrogation of the civil rights of lesbians and gay men, substantiating his call on the basis of his distorted interpretation of this research."7

The American Sociological Association officially and publicly states that Paul Cameron is not a sociologist, and condemns his consistent misrepresentation of sociological research. Information on this action and a copy of the report by the Committee on the Status of Homosexuals in Sociology, "The Paul Cameron Case," is to be published in Footnotes, and be sent to the officers of all regional and state sociological associations and to the Canadian Sociological Association with a request that they alert their members to Cameron's frequent lecture and media appearances."8

In August, 1996, the Canadian Psychological Association adopted the following policy statement:The Canadian Psychological Association takes the position that Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism and thus, it formally disassociates itself from the representation and interpretations of scientific literature in his writings and public statements on sexuality.

Cameron's credibility was also questioned outside of academia. In his written opinion in Baker v. Wade (1985), Judge Buchmeyer of the U.S. District Court of Dallas referred to "Cameron's sworn statement that 'homosexuals abuse children at a proportionately greater incident than do heterosexuals,'" and concluded that "Dr. Paul Cameron...has himself made misrepresentations to this Court" and that "There has been no fraud or misrepresentations except by Dr. Cameron" (p.536).
Paul Cameron Bio and Fact Sheet

Paul Cameron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Garbage In, Garbage Out | Southern Poverty Law Center


Thank you! I don't know how you found that info on the source, because I didn't see anything on the original page that would lead to other pages, much less sources. But I had a feeling it was Cameron's BS!
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Old 04-14-2011, 08:58 AM
 
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That's only because you are probably not aware of the studies the poster is referring to.
If he is explaining something to another person, that person should not already be familiar with the topic in order to understand the sentence! His sentence is nonsensical, period. It does not follow. He didn't know how to explain the concept and probably does not understand it himself, hence the difficulty conveying it.
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Old 04-14-2011, 09:00 AM
 
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Asthma and diabetes cause health problems for the people who have those conditions. What problems do homosexuals have other than discrimination and bigotry from others?
Not everyone agrees with you, and when they try to have a rational and respectful discussion, you call them bigots, ignorant, and haters.

Btw, homosexual men who engage in anal sex have high rates of HIV which leads to AIDS in many cases, and that's a killer (in case you hadn't heard).
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Old 04-14-2011, 09:10 AM
 
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Not everyone agrees with you, and when they try to have a rational and respectful discussion, you call them bigots, ignorant, and haters.
You're calling an integral part of an entire minority a mistake/disease.

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Btw, homosexual men who engage in anal sex have high rates of HIV which leads to AIDS in many cases, and that's a killer (in case you hadn't heard).
Which has nothing to do with being attracted to members of the same sex. African American heterosexual women have the highest rates of contracting HIV. And not all gays engage in anal sex - many only engage in oral. Heterosexuals also engage in anal sex as I'm sure you're aware.

The HIV epidemic among gays is primarily due them practicing unsafe sex back in the 80s before the disease was discovered. Especially among gays who were drug users.
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Old 04-14-2011, 09:42 AM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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By the logic of the poster, people are only heterosexual when they are actually having sex.

Which is probably about .0001 percent of their lives.
What are they the rest of the time?
Normal.
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Old 04-14-2011, 11:13 AM
 
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You're calling an integral part of an entire minority a mistake/disease.

An integral part? If that's the way you want to see it, yes. That's my opinion and I have a right to it. I've already made a distinction between humans and conditions. If you choose to get your feelings hurt, that is not my responsibility.

I'm offended that you think someone with a "disease" or condition, such as arthritis and diabetes, is so revolting to you that you cannot bear for your condition to be compared to these.
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