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Old 04-13-2011, 03:57 PM
 
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Once you resort to name calling, you've lost your argument.
Then I guess you lost your argument when you called gays a biological mistake. That's far more insulting than bigot. And technically I called your opinion bigoted, not you, so it isn't really name calling.
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Old 04-13-2011, 04:08 PM
 
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Then I guess you lost your argument when you called gays a biological mistake. That's far more insulting than bigot. And technically I called your opinion bigoted, not you, so it isn't really name calling.
No, I never said human beings were a mistake. Go back and read again.
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Old 04-13-2011, 04:11 PM
 
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You seem to be doing a lot of backtracking on this subject...either that or you should learn to articulate your opinions so that you don't have to backtrack.
No, I am not backtracking at all. I have not retracted one single thing I've said.
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Old 04-13-2011, 04:16 PM
 
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No, I never said human beings were a mistake. Go back and read again.
Homosexuality is an integral part of a homosexual. Calling one a mistake correlates to the other being a mistake too.
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Old 04-13-2011, 04:30 PM
 
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No, I am not backtracking at all. I have not retracted one single thing I've said.
You stated that homosexuality is a mistake. The implication is that there is choice in the matter. However, we know that there is no choice in the matter. Mistake also has a negative connotation. Making homosexuality a negative. Thus, what occurs is bigotry. You feel that you've made a superior "choice" regarding your sexuality. This is far from the truth since you made no decision. There was NEVER a point in time where you said I will be a heterosexual.

You may not HAVE retracted anything you've stated, but maybe you should.
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Old 04-13-2011, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Homosexuality is a mistake. Human beings who are homosexual are not mistakes. I know for some, that may be a distinction they cannot comprehend -- that is, the distinction between humans and conditions -- but it's valid.

Maybe I can get some activism going to declare my arthritis "normal" and not a joint disease.
Or is it possible that homosexuality is evolutionarily beneficial?

Perhaps males that did not compete for females but still contributed to the survival of human genes (through hunting (anticipates knuckle-dragging joke) or picking berries) were beneficial to the species.

Not every ant contributes genetic material, but they are still a quite successful species.
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Old 04-13-2011, 05:07 PM
 
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You stated that homosexuality is a mistake. The implication is that there is choice in the matter. However, we know that there is no choice in the matter. Mistake also has a negative connotation. Making homosexuality a negative. Thus, what occurs is bigotry. You feel that you've made a superior "choice" regarding your sexuality. This is far from the truth since you made no decision. There was NEVER a point in time where you said I will be a heterosexual.

You may not HAVE retracted anything you've stated, but maybe you should.
No, there is no such implication. I have stated my belief that homosexual desire is not a choice. If you had bothered to read my posts, you would have seen that I made that clear.

Rather, as I have also made excruciatingly clear, homosexuality is a condition that is not normal -- a part of the brain or the endocrine system or what have you, that did not develop properly. JUST AS some people have diabetes, asthma, etc. These things are deviations from normal physiology.

Instead of reading my posts and responding thoughtfully to my comments, you chose to go right to name calling.
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Old 04-13-2011, 05:09 PM
 
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Homosexuality is an integral part of a homosexual. Calling one a mistake correlates to the other being a mistake too.
No, it doesn't mean that at all. And what have you been telling heterosexuals for decades? That your sexual orientation is just a PART of who you are, not the whole. I happen to believe that. It's a part of you, and that part of you didn't develop properly. The rest of you may be perfectly fine.
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Old 04-13-2011, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Seattle Area
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No, it doesn't mean that at all. And what have you been telling heterosexuals for decades? That your sexual orientation is just a PART of who you are, not the whole. I happen to believe that. It's a part of you, and that part of you didn't develop properly. The rest of you may be perfectly fine.
Speaking only for myself I will say that all of me developed properly...and it developed "perfectly fine".

I am perfectly happy being homosexual and would not trade it for anything...
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Old 04-13-2011, 06:43 PM
 
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No, there is no such implication. I have stated my belief that homosexual desire is not a choice. If you had bothered to read my posts, you would have seen that I made that clear.

Rather, as I have also made excruciatingly clear, homosexuality is a condition that is not normal -- a part of the brain or the endocrine system or what have you, that did not develop properly. JUST AS some people have diabetes, asthma, etc. These things are deviations from normal physiology.

Instead of reading my posts and responding thoughtfully to my comments, you chose to go right to name calling.
A mistake is something that is not done in the correct manner. Thus, according to you, HOMOSEXUALITY is not done in the correct manner.

It has nothing to do with the endocrine system not being "developed properly", as it were. There is a spectrum of "developed properly" homosexuality lies within that spectrum.

It's not a physiological abnormality like asthma. We are learning that sexuality, like many other things, lie on a spectrum. Where you fall on that spectrum is due primarily to genetic factors and conditions in the womb.

Again, your comments show a lack of knowledge.

Homosexuality is not a disease. There are many studies that have shown why homosexuality exists. One possibility is the martyr theory. Feminizing male fetuses enables mothers to have more children decreasing the possibility of death during birth. Also, their sisters are more fertile.

So if it were like asthma or diabetes we would not see any benefit.
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