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Old 02-16-2011, 11:01 AM
 
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The fairest approach is to let the free market determine demand for an electric car.

Like spoiled children, many don't want to hear anything about fairness.
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Old 02-16-2011, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Hmmm

So are you saying that a price could be set independent of much oil is actually available?
In a strange twist of irony, Raygun conspired with OPEC to fix and crash oil prices so as to destroy the Soviet Union.
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Old 02-16-2011, 11:51 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Back when I was a progressive (before I mentally matured), I read "The Party's Over", a peak oil book that explained the pitfalls of alternative energy sources. The author relayed how mining for uranium is extremely dirty and sometimes even puts oil to shame.

Like electric cars, people don't appreciate how dirty their "clean" fuel is.
Auto exhausts used to be extremely dirty too. What evidence did he provide that uranium mining could not be cleaned up?
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Old 02-16-2011, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Auto exhausts used to be extremely dirty too. What evidence did he provide that uranium mining could not be cleaned up?
Uranium becomes more difficult to extract as resources dwindle. This requires increased levels of strip mining. Unless construction equipment starts running on unicorn farts, it will continue to become more and more polluting.
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Old 02-16-2011, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Pollution, gas prices, government preference.
All of them are governmental concerns. I'm pretty sure you would involve governmental agencies if your neighbor started burning rubber tires. The idea that he/she is doing it in one's own yard, so it is okay, wouldn't even register. That if gas prices jump, that you will find a way to blame the government.

The government has to concern itself with regulating the air quality, water quality, food quality, and trade deficits. The dependency on oil isn't just unhealthy, but sheer stupidity.

But then, aren't you one of those who claims that oil is forever?
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Old 02-16-2011, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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All of them are governmental concerns. I'm pretty sure you would involve governmental agencies if your neighbor started burning rubber tires.
Municipal restrictions exist prohibiting this from occurring.
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Old 02-16-2011, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Electric vehicles still use oil, they just don't use petroleum for propulsion. They still have tires, they still have parts requiring lubrication, they still use plastics and other material either manufactured or comprised of oil.

I have no beef with those people and companies who whish to purchase and use them as long as they do it on their own dime and not through a subsidy that comes out of my pocket.

Government forced re-distribution of wealth is not social justice, it is theft.
No, there is no such thing as a magic wand. But if you want to go the distance, little steps will get you there.

While we can't eliminate the need for oil, we can at least start to think about reducing trade deficits (oil is a HUGE part of it), creating foreign policies around it? If we can devise ways to conserve even 10% of our daily consumption today, would it be a terrible idea?
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Old 02-16-2011, 12:11 PM
 
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Hmmm

So are you saying that a price could be set independent of much oil is actually available?
Yes - that's why prices go up in times of Middle East unrest - the people looking at oil futures may determine that supply may be affected based on the unrest - and may adjust their selling prices.

Even when crude oil prices are stable, gasoline prices normally fluctuate due to factors such as seasonality and local retail station competition. Additionally, gasoline prices can change rapidly due to crude oil supply disruptions stemming from world events, or domestic problems such as refinery or pipeline outages.

For your knowledge - Oil Exchange ...

Supply and demand do play a major role - it's just not the only factor in oil pricing.
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Old 02-16-2011, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Municipal restrictions exist prohibiting this from occurring.
Municipality is your local government.
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Old 02-16-2011, 12:14 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Uranium becomes more difficult to extract as resources dwindle. This requires increased levels of strip mining. Unless construction equipment starts running on unicorn farts, it will continue to become more and more polluting.
Great generalizations but lacking facts. How much pollution does uranium strip mining vs. coal strip mining produce when the amount of energy obatined is taken into account? And if we can search for better sources of oil, why not uranium?
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