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Old 01-16-2011, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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true

not true. How would you go about figuring that out?
Code from different countries use code constructs that have a "signature" so to speak. It comes from analysis of existing code bases.
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Old 01-16-2011, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Denmark
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Using that logic, you would be speaking German right now.
Not really. Comparing Iran to Nazi Germany is a little far fetched, so let's keep the discussion rational, shall we?
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Old 01-16-2011, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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So what are you gonna da? Bomb them? Even if you did that, that wouldn't stop them as experts on the topic have repeatedly pointed out. It'd just delay their program but if they want the bomb, they will get the bomb. Easy as that. So better get used to the idea of a nuclear Iran.

Yeah bomb them with computer virus' just as Israel probably did. Non lethal and very effective. It seems as if Israel is a real factor for peace!
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Old 01-16-2011, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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I don't. Government getting business involved. Yes, every kiddie virus has been traced quite soon after it was set loose.
So why not this virus ? And why did it ONLY hit Iran ? This is not your typical mass spread..this was targeted from the get go.

From the OP link:

"In interviews over the past three months in the United States and Europe, experts who have picked apart the computer worm describe it as far more complex — and ingenious — than anything they had imagined when it began circulating around the world, unexplained, in mid-2009.

Many mysteries remain, chief among them, exactly who constructed a computer worm that appears to have several authors on several continents. But the digital trail is littered with intriguing bits of evidence."
Oh, I agree, it was very well done. Not like most of that Russian and Chinese crap that comes out nearly daily. It does appear that the code was not a single entity effort. They were still able to point to different places that actually helped to construct this worm but it was the cooperative effort that did cause quite the puzzle. Most of the trogans, worms, etc that are released are in an effort of gaining credit card information (phishing), but are also generally traced back to one single source, as in country of origin. No, they cannot trace it to a specific coder unless it is a well known one that has claimed code in the past.
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Old 01-16-2011, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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In this case, Iran actually is the victim, yes. Not saying that I approve of Iran having nuclear weapons or whatever, but then again I do not approve of the United States, or Israel for that matter, having these kind of weapons either. If Israel can have them, if Pakistan can have them, if the US can have them, it's hard to give objective reasons why Iran shouldn't be allowed to have nukes. The Iranian regime isn't really that stupid that they would ever use them on anyone. They know very well the moment they did that, they'd be wiped off the map. Hell, even the dear leader knows this and wouldn't ever use his nukes for anything but bargaining.




"If Israel can have them, if Pakistan can have them, if the US can have them, it's hard to give objective reasons why Iran shouldn't be allowed to have nukes."


When the US pulls out of Iraq, Iran will annex Iraq, and Iraq will be powerless to resist because Iran will have nuclear weapons.




The Iranian regime isn't really that stupid.....


What objective reason could you possibly have for arriving at that conclusion?
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Old 01-16-2011, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Not really. Comparing Iran to Nazi Germany is a little far fetched, so let's keep the discussion rational, shall we?
And that's not what I was inferring. Let me spell it out for you. You are taking a non-obstructive stance, saying we should just let Iran have "da bomb". If England and the US took that stance in WW2, Denmark would be part of Germany today. Being non-obstructive is not always the way and in the case of Iran, it most certainly is not.
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Old 01-16-2011, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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"If Israel can have them, if Pakistan can have them, if the US can have them, it's hard to give objective reasons why Iran shouldn't be allowed to have nukes."


When the US pulls out of Iraq, Iran will annex Iraq, and Iraq will be powerless to resist because Iran will have nuclear weapons.




The Iranian regime isn't really that stupid.....


What objective reason could you possibly have for arriving at that conclusion?
And then they will use those same said nukes on Israel. How do we know this? Because Iran has already said it would.
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Old 01-16-2011, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Oh, I agree, it was very well done. Not like most of that Russian and Chinese crap that comes out nearly daily. It does appear that the code was not a single entity effort. They were still able to point to different places that actually helped to construct this worm but it was the cooperative effort that did cause quite the puzzle. Most of the trogans, worms, etc that are released are in an effort of gaining credit card information (phishing), but are also generally traced back to one single source, as in country of origin. No, they cannot trace it to a specific coder unless it is a well known one that has claimed code in the past.
But if that cooperative effort was government and business rather than the usual malware suspects..THEN who do you turn to for justice ?
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Old 01-16-2011, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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But if that cooperative effort was government and business rather than the usual malware suspects..THEN who do you turn to for justice ?
I guess I'm just not following your logic because business and gov't have been in cooperative efforts on a multitude of ventures.
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Old 01-16-2011, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Denmark
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And that's not what I was inferring. Let me spell it out for you. You are taking a non-obstructive stance, saying we should just let Iran have "da bomb". If England and the US took that stance in WW2, Denmark would be part of Germany today. Being non-obstructive is not always the way and in the case of Iran, it most certainly is not.
Well, you can yadda yadda all you want, but like it or not, there's no way to stop Iran from getting the bomb at this stage.
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