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Yes. YOU, the random City-Data poster knows a lot about healthcare.
I still don't believe America has the BEST. It's good, it's not the BEST. It's better than Haiti. It's not THE BEST. You saying it is doesn't make it so. It sounds like Jingoism to me.
I asked you to support your statement, you didn't.
Here is my statement : America DOES NOT have the best healthcare system in the world.
The World Health Organzation actually says we rank 37th. Not 1st. 37th.
Or course, you "know A LOT about healthcare" so we should just take your word for it.
The issue with health care in the US is not quality but accessibility. The WHO rankings are bunk and have been rightly criticized by many. It relies a lot on money spent and not outcomes. For a simplistic example we have 2 countries and each have 10 people with cancer. Country A spends $50 and five people survive, country B spends $1 and 1 person lives. With the way the WHO rankings are calculated country A is going to ranked below country B because they spent $10 per survivor instead of $1. Now I'll ask you which country do you want to get treated for cancer in?
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The issue with health care in the US is not quality but accessibility. The WHO rankings are bunk and have been rightly criticized by many. It relies a lot on money spent and not outcomes. For a simplistic example we have 2 countries and each have 10 people with cancer. Country A spends $50 and five people survive, country B spends $1 and 1 person lives. With the way the WHO rankings are calculated country A is going to ranked below country B because they spent $10 per survivor instead of $1. Now I'll ask you which country do you want to get treated for cancer in?
Actually, it is both quality and accessibility. For example, almost 100 000 Americans die eatch year who would have survived if medical treatment in the USA hit the average first world qualty standard.
As for the WHO rankings, the thing is, pretty much all the different public health standards put the US somewhere in the 30s from the top in results. Which is not actually terrible, no-one can be best at everything. It is a passing grade.
What makes it bad is that the USA spends twice as much per person as the average forst world to get to that ranking in the top 30s. Which is a terrible return on each dollar spent. And the USA is spending 4 dollars on health care for each dollar spent on the military!
Jetgraphics is right here- hes simply trying to explain why we're in this mess. Nothing can be done about national debt unless the whole monetary system is abholished. Left/right bickering about gov spending taxation etc. Is completely missing the real issue. Our monetary system is simply unsustainable, what we are currently witnessing is the begining of its collapse as goverments now can only inflate currency or default.
The issue with health care in the US is not quality but accessibility. The WHO rankings are bunk and have been rightly criticized by many. It relies a lot on money spent and not outcomes. For a simplistic example we have 2 countries and each have 10 people with cancer. Country A spends $50 and five people survive, country B spends $1 and 1 person lives. With the way the WHO rankings are calculated country A is going to ranked below country B because they spent $10 per survivor instead of $1. Now I'll ask you which country do you want to get treated for cancer in?
Once again, please back up your opinion with verifiable facts if you want me to believe you.
Who says that the World Health Organization is bunk? So far, just you. Is there anymore reliable source you can provide me, as I am not convinced.
Irregardless, I posted this to counter the poster who said "America is the best healthcare in the world!! AMERICAA!!! @#$#% YEAH!" Which is Jingoism and not fact. Do you agree with the poster that America has the best healthcare in the world?
If you do agree, then back it up please.
If you don't agree, then we are not at odds.
The healthcare system in America is broken, it needs fixing. Everyone who is too blinded by patriotism to see that is part of the problem. I don't care if America ranks 37th or 15th. We spend more to get less, and that is a bad formula. But we can't ever discuss the healthcare system in frank and honest terms because so many people are like "we are the best, we are the best." If we are the best, what is there to discuss?
Just for the record: We went into debt in 2002 - under Republican control of the entire federal government. I'm amazed that so many Republican partisans forget this fact.
Republicans have selective memories, just like the Democrats.
Just for the record: We went into debt in 2002 - under Republican control of the entire federal government. I'm amazed that so many Republican partisans forget this fact.
Does that absolve the democrat congress of any responsibility in the matter? I'm certainly not suggesting the GOP is innocent. Both parties need to cut spending now or we're going to be in a lot of trouble very shortly.
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