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Old 12-04-2010, 11:06 AM
 
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NY considers organ donor ambulance for dead - Health - Health care - msnbc.com

NYC considers ‘organ-removal’ ambulance
Wagon would rush to scene of death, preserve body for transplant use

NEW YORK — Saving the living has always been the No. 1 priority for a New York City ambulance crew. But a select group of paramedics may soon have a different task altogether: saving the dead.

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Old 12-04-2010, 11:09 AM
 
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NY considers organ donor ambulance for dead - Health - Health care - msnbc.com

NYC considers ‘organ-removal’ ambulance
Wagon would rush to scene of death, preserve body for transplant use

NEW YORK — Saving the living has always been the No. 1 priority for a New York City ambulance crew. But a select group of paramedics may soon have a different task altogether: saving the dead.

The city is considering creating a special ambulance whose crew would rush to collect the newly deceased and preserve the body so that the organs might be taken for transplant.

The "rapid-organ-recovery ambulance," still in the early planning stages, could raise a host of ethical questions and strike some families as ghoulish. But top medical officials in the Fire Department and Bellevue Hospital say it has the potential to save hundreds of lives.

Generally in the U.S., only people who die at hospitals are used as organ donors, because doctors are on hand with life-support machinery and other equipment to preserve the organs and remove them before they spoil. Surgeons have only a few critical hours before kidneys, livers and other body parts suffer damage that renders them unusable.


Dr. Lewis Goldfrank, the director of emergency medicine at Bellevue, said the ambulance project could spark an "amazing transformation" by substantially increasing the pool of donors. The system would be one of the first of its kind in the U.S., although similar ambulances have operated successfully in parts of Europe, he said.



The transplant ambulance would turn up at the scene of a death mere minutes after regular paramedics ceased efforts to resuscitate a patient. The team would begin work almost immediately, administering drugs and performing chest compressions intended to keep the organs viable.

Sometimes, those steps would be taken before getting approval from a relative and without knowledge of the departed's wishes regarding organ donation.

Any organ removals would be done at the hospital only. And no organs would be removed without getting the family's express consent.

Plan raises ethical issues
But experts in medical and legal ethics said they still see potential for trouble.

"Starting this process without knowing whether the decedent wanted to be a donor could be a problem," said Maxwell Mehlman, director of the Law-Medicine Center at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland.

Distraught relatives could be unnerved by the site of a transplant team arriving so soon after a death. Some might have a religious objection to organ donation, and be enraged to learn that a body had been moved and injected with fluids.

Other families might also — rightly or wrongly — question whether the paramedics curtailed their lifesaving efforts because a patient had valuable organs.

"A lot of people don't trust the medical system to begin with, and in the city, you have additional class and race issues to deal with," said Arthur Caplan, a professor of bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania and msnbc.com columnist. "I could very easily see a family saying, 'If it was a white, rich person, that person would have been saved. But instead you've sent the meat wagon.'"

Doctors working on developing a pilot program say they realize the sensitivity of the issue and are building precautions into the system, which would start with just one ambulance.

The project's ethics consultant, Nancy Dubler, director of the division of bioethics at Montefiore Medical Center, said there would be an "absolute barrier" between the medical personnel involved in the lifesaving effort and those working on the organ recovery team.

Paramedics responding to an emergency would not be told whether there was a transplant crew waiting in the wings, and would have nothing to do with that process.

A separate supervisor would make the call on whether to dispatch the organ-recovery ambulance, and that team would be barred from arriving until five minutes after a formal declaration of death.

Only cardiac arrest patients who die of natural causes would be considered candidates for the program.

The organ-recovery team would also travel with a counselor who would make every effort to get a family's consent before the body was moved or touched.

"That's a tricky conversation," acknowledged Dr. David Prezant, the Fire Department's chief medical officer. He said grieving relatives might expect to be asked about organ donation at a hospital, but are certain to be caught off guard if the topic is broached in the field.

The city has received a $1.5 million, three-year grant from the federal government, but there is no set date yet for when the ambulance might begin operating.
Not a good idea. Too much opportunity for abuse and misuse.
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Old 12-04-2010, 11:09 AM
 
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If it is government connected that body will first have it's pockets and bank accounts raped of all assets.
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Old 12-04-2010, 11:16 AM
 
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Yeah,

Millions of taxpayer dollars to fund cocaine for monkeys is one thing, but this is just dumb.
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Old 12-04-2010, 11:17 AM
 
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It would be a good plot for a horror movie. They could have scenes of harvesting somebody who is still alive for a rush transplant job, rounding up the homeless, etc.


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Old 12-04-2010, 11:19 AM
 
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It would be a good plot for a horror movie. They could have scenes of harvesting somebody who is still alive for a rush transplant job, rounding up the homeless, etc.


Staring Dr Kevorkian.
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Old 12-04-2010, 11:45 AM
 
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Soylent Green. RP
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Old 12-04-2010, 11:51 AM
 
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Recycle.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqrThbOG5rs&NR=1
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Old 12-04-2010, 12:25 PM
 
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A ghastly sight, however I don't think it's fair to hold the hyena responsible for its behavior. We do, however, generally hold humans to higher standards then hyeneas.

At least I thought we did.
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Old 12-04-2010, 02:44 PM
 
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When you consider that 7,000 people die each year while waiting for an organ transplant and in recognition of the fact that period between death and a successful "harvesting" of donated organs are minutes not hours, it is a brilliant idea. If adequate protections are put in place, this could save thousands of lives every year.

By the way, those crying over being able to "trust the government" who would you trust more, a for profit hospital of a municipal department... never mind its a question for thinking folks only.
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