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Yep, I think that is one of my biggest issues with this Republican/Democratic either/or scenerio we have.
Republicans believe that Corporations need to provide EVERYTHING from cradle to grave - from healthcare, old age, etc. When the reality is that they simply cannot.
Democrats believe that government should.
When in reality, we need to get independent from both! Stand on our own without relying on either.
You falsely summarize.
Republicans believe that the individual should provide EVERYTHING from the cradle to grave.
It is our responsibility to take care of ourselves, not that of another.
What people fail to realize is that the intrusion of all this government into our lives has actually reduced an individuals ability to excel in an environment. There are too many hands dipping into the pockets of the individual, too many regulations designed to profit, too many money schemes disguised as "crusades for the common good" which all obstruct the very thing to which is affirmed " The PURSUIT of life, liberty, and happiness".
The difference between a conservative and a liberal is that a conservative believes they can decide what is best for themselves, while a liberal believes that they should decide for others.
With friends like liberals, who needs enemies? With their help, I have all the hindrance I can handle.
The difference between a conservative and a liberal is that a conservative believes they can decide what is best for themselves, while a liberal believes that they should decide for others.
With friends like liberals, who needs enemies? With their help, I have all the hindrance I can handle.
Respectfully, I disagree.
There are many conservatives who believe that THEY can also decide what is best for everyone.
It certainly looks as though Ernie's financial situation has not resulted in any decline in his calorie intake.
I realize that EVERY SINGLE TIME I mention this, someobody has something to say about it....but I will say it again anyway......
I checked the Craigslist ads for Las Vegas and there are lots and lots of them. Kitchen help, bartenders, salesmen.
Ernie needs to push himself away from the dinner table and get out there and OBSESSIVELY seek employment. They aren't going to come knocking on his door.
He makes $2300 a month and he can't live on that???? Please! Please! That's absurd. $1,100 mortgage for a MOBILE HOME that looks like it is in a trailer park? There is something terribly, terribly wrong with this picture.
20yrsinBranson
I live fine off roughly 2300 a month raising a family and we lived off 1800 a month before.
Respectfully, I disagree.
There are many conservatives who believe that THEY can also decide what is best for everyone.
Sure, there are "some" who may believe such, they are called RHINO's.
I don't deny that there are those who where the suit of a position, but contradict its purpose.
Republicans or rather the conservative ones hold to as I said. This is why for instance the Tea Party was upset with Bush on some of his actions as well as many representatives in the Republican party.
The basic foundation of principals to which Republicans stand is that of individual responsibility and accountability.
It certainly looks as though Ernie's financial situation has not resulted in any decline in his calorie intake.
I realize that EVERY SINGLE TIME I mention this, someobody has something to say about it....but I will say it again anyway......
I checked the Craigslist ads for Las Vegas and there are lots and lots of them. Kitchen help, bartenders, salesmen.
Ernie needs to push himself away from the dinner table and get out there and OBSESSIVELY seek employment. They aren't going to come knocking on his door.
He makes $2300 a month and he can't live on that???? Please! Please! That's absurd. $1,100 mortgage for a MOBILE HOME that looks like it is in a trailer park? There is something terribly, terribly wrong with this picture.
20yrsinBranson
Yes I noticed he could pay for food myself. I looked at prices of homes for sale in Vegas . I saw many under 25,000 a good one I would buy to rent out for 29,900 . 1,100 is a little steep. I,m thinking the story is fake .
[quote=SportyandMisty;16852655]I'm with you so far. I truly wish that public education would contain a class on personal financial management and teach delayed economic gratification. As a society, we don't do a very good job of helping our kids learn the basics of how to build a life financial plan, etc.
That is a content-free sentence.
The theory of agency has been very well developed in both the management and the legal world. Much has been published in academia about agency. You might want to read up on it. The relationship among the owners of the corporation, the board of directors, and the management of the corporation is well established and contradicts your assertion.
I don't think that is ignored. Corporations rely upon a well developed case law that supports property rights and contracts for example. When one company sells a product to another and extends credit, both companies rely on the existence of the legal system... not to mention the physical infrastructure.
Your conclusion does not follow from your premise. Businesses all have as part of their core values that they exist with local communities; you see this every year at various functions ranging from United Way campaigns to supporting local schools.
Uh, er, nope. Shareholders are the owners of the company. Only the owners of the company get to decide what their first priority is... not you, unless you want to go buy a company and change its priorities.
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... Generating a reasonable profit is a valid goal but should be balanced with reinvesting in the general society.
Uh, er, nope. Corporations are the way we as a society organize to generate wealth. Income from that wealth is taxed -- twice, actually as it is taxed at the corporation level and then again as post-corporate-tax dividends are immorally taxed again on individual 1040s.
The purpose of corporations is to generate profit... to maximize profit.
Investments in what you call the general society (a very fuzzy concept, but for sake of argument, let's say it actually exists, instead of the more generally accepted notion that society is no more than a collection of individuals) is best done by government rather than corporations.
That's silly. Business has a moral obligation to maximize profits while obeying all applicable laws. Moreover businesses who do not do so are inefficient and will end up going out of business as more effective competitors eat their lunch.
For some industries, that means offshoring... and that helps the business reduce costs so it can compete in a global marketplace.
Individuals don't need to hire lobbyists. We elect Representatives.
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Interesting little diatribe ...that shows you have absolutely no idea what happens to those big businesses' profits.
Demonizing big business is a double-edged sword because of the following (this article is a pretty basic explanation of how big business ownership and profits work, but you'll get the idea):
"This shift of business ownership from rich people to working people may be the greatest economic transformation since the Industrial Revolution. ...So what does all this mean? Well, for starters, it should lead to an end of complaints about the profits of corporations and allegations about 'greedy corporations.' After all, much of that profit now goes toward the current and future retirement incomes of working people." Business Ownership & Labor Day
Everyone who contributes to or benefits from a 401k, pension fund, mutual fund, annuity, or whole life insurance policy, etc., is an owner of big businesses, en masse. Theyget the corporate profits.
Limit big businesses' profits, and pensions/retirement accounts for millions of Americans who've worked throughout their lives go bye bye. Do you really think that's a good idea?
I think it's cute how you make believe that large corporations and Wall Street follow the same rules the rest of us have to. You can quote articles all day long and mangle statistics, the fact remains that the redistribution of wealth in this country is flowing up. There are hundreds of articles detailing corporate misconduct, illegal financial dealings, and insider trading.
What you support is economic Darwinism where the strongest survive. Anyone with a minimal knowledge of history knows that that is a clear path to the downfall of a society. However, many of our republican and corporate friends count on the ignorance of the general public to prevent them from understanding what is actually happening.
The unemployed did not unemploy themselves just as they did not hire themselves. They also did not issue their own mortgages, authorize their own credit cards, etc. Funny how we can tell someone they can't drink, smoke, or watch an R rated movie but we can't say no to an unqualified borrower. Hmmm, now who makes those decisions again????????????
Oh and by the way, corporate profits recovered but 401k's and pensions did not.
The difference is that republicans have consistently wanted the billions in unemployment compensations paid for, not added to the debt. This would not be as big of a problem if the democrats, which you are proud to call yourself, had not run up $5 trillion dollars in deficit spending since taking control of congress four years ago.
""The second way government assistance programs contribute to long-term unemployment is by providing an incentive, and the means, not to work. Each unemployed person has a 'reservation wage'—the minimum wage he or she insists on getting before accepting a job. Unemployment insurance and other social assistance programs increase [the] reservation wage, causing an unemployed person to remain unemployed longer."
Any guess who wrote that? Milton Friedman, perhaps. Simon Legree? Sorry.
Full credit goes to Lawrence H. Summers, the current White House economic adviser, who wrote those sensible words in his chapter on "Unemployment" in the Concise Encyclopedia of Economics, first published in 1999."
Sure, there are "some" who may believe such, they are called RHINO's.
I don't deny that there are those who where the suit of a position, but contradict its purpose.
Republicans or rather the conservative ones hold to as I said. This is why for instance the Tea Party was upset with Bush on some of his actions as well as many representatives in the Republican party.
The basic foundation of principals to which Republicans stand is that of individual responsibility and accountability.
Not really. In fact conservatism, the supposed bed rock of the GOP is based on restrictions of "personal" freedoms. Most Republicans are patently against gay marriage, gay adoption, stem cell research, they want to restrict pornography and shut down strip clubs, etc. Republicans want to control your bedroom.
Not really. In fact conservatism, the supposed bed rock of the GOP is based on restrictions of "personal" freedoms. Most Republicans are patently against gay marriage, gay adoption, stem cell research, they want to restrict pornography and shut down strip clubs, etc. Republicans want to control your bedroom.
I think it would be helpful if you could possibly support such a statement.
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