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Old 10-17-2010, 07:42 PM
 
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Thanks for the civil discourse, it's rare on CD.

It would be ironic if all the people got their way and everything was evenly distributed only to be summarily destroyed or fluttered away in to nothingness.

I feel the same argument could be made for immigration. The whole system tries to equalize and when it finally comes to that point it has a telltale a sign of the beginning of the end.
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Old 10-17-2010, 07:49 PM
 
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This is a great illustration of the pitfalls of home schooling.

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Capitalism versus Socialism

The next week the grass needed mowed again. This time I decided to show him how socialism works. He cut the grass and came to me and asked to be paid the same $20. I withheld $8 and told him this was for federal income tax. I gave $2 to his younger sister, who did no work, and told him this was only fair. I withheld $4 and told him it was for union dues. (Because he needs a union to tell him I ripped him off last week). I withheld another $5 and told him that it was for the administrative costs of dividing up the money. I gave him the one dollar that was left over.When he cried for receiving $1 for doing the same thing he did last week but received 20 times the amount of money, I told him to stop being “selfish” and “greedy” and called him a racist. Hard work gets you nowhere.
What a travesty of an education, not only does it have absolutely nothing to do with any known concept of "socialism" it leaves out some rather basic elements of civil capitalist society.

The $8.00 in taxes pays for the roads the brings the gas for his lawn mower, it pays for the regulatory agency that insures that the lawn mower won't chop off his young foot, and the even it does, the judiciary for which he can bring suit against the manufacturer. The rest is just too convoluted to merit a response.

Perhaps, if you really wanted to teach your son a small lesson about socialism you could have told him that, as most parents should, that the lawn needed mowing and that mowing the lawn without any further compensation was his contribution to the family that furnishes him food, clothing and clean safe place to lay his head at night.

That is one form of socialism.

Another form of socialism would be for him and his sister to join with other kids on the block to form a company where each member shared equally in the profits of their labor. One kid might supply the lawn mower, another the gas, others might go out and solicit business, others would mow the lawns, each contributing their equal efforts dependent upon their talents and each sharing equally from the profits.

That too is another form of socialism.

Which works best, there are advantages and disadvantages to both capitalism and socialism but without a proper understanding of either you have condemned your son to same stupidity that seems to be rampant in the country today.
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Old 10-17-2010, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Phoenix Arizona
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your example wasn't socialism. with true socialism your son would not receive any pay, but you would perform some labor for him in exchange, and for starters you and him and everyone in the household would own the yard so the next week it would be someone else's turn to mow.
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Old 10-17-2010, 08:01 PM
 
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Capatilism is a MUTUAL agreement between two or more parties. It is completely voluntary on both sides.
In your dreams, perhaps.

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What you describe is more llike child abuse. Or slave labor.
No, what I described was a parable of capitalism as it existed before workers got together through the collective expression of the people that is government (and unions) and made some improvements and protections.

Most of us live in the real world.
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Old 10-17-2010, 08:05 PM
 
Location: NoVA
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Judging by the boring scenario and totally predictable outcomes, I'm fairly sure you copy-pasted a chain mail rather than describe a scenario which actually happened. Rather than get petulant I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not so feeble-minded as to have taught your son a horrifically unrealistic lesson in socioeconomics.
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Old 10-17-2010, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Not long ago I read a short news item. Right wing think tanks have decided that the word Capitalism has a negative association and will soon be replaced by Free Enterprise. Same old ruthless machine, new paint job.
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Old 10-17-2010, 08:22 PM
 
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Not long ago I read a short news item. Right wing think tanks have decided that the word Capitalism has a negative association and will soon be replaced by Free Enterprise. Same old ruthless machine, new paint job.
I think I read the same thing but it talked about socialism being refereed to now as liberalism.


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Old 10-17-2010, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Tujunga
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Perhaps you should not give him your lawn mower, tell him that he can earn any money till he pays you $300 for it, and that he can't earn any money until he buys it.

That'll be a valuable lesson in capitalism, that it allows those with resources to increase them, and those without resources to stay poor.
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