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Old 10-15-2010, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Look at the signs next to any public or YMCA pool, they clearly state that you cannot swim wearing anything but a swimming suit. A person trying to swim in a full head cover and long dress like outfit creates a safety risk for them and the lifeguards who are paid to keep them alive. It's like trying to swim wearing jeans, a sweater and shoes.
See my response above. Furthermore, what if she was just there to watch the family have a good time but had not intention of getting in the water? Based on the limited facts from the article, she was denied access to the facility altogether.
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Old 10-15-2010, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Is that a fact? Was that bit of information removed from the article?
No. It falls under strong likelihood. Poor choice of words on my part.
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Old 10-15-2010, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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No. It falls under strong likelihood. Poor choice of words on my part.
Falls under 'complete guess'. You have zero idea if they had swimsuits or not
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Old 10-15-2010, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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See my response above. Furthermore, what if she was just there to watch the family have a good time but had not intention of getting in the water? Based on the limited facts from the article, she was denied access to the facility altogether.
There might be a rule that one cannot enter a pool area without wearing swimming attire.

Furthermore, all the pools around here (that I know of) require swimming attire. They also require everyone to shower before entering the swimming area. I thought this rule existed everywhere.

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Old 10-15-2010, 07:10 PM
 
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Since when is it prohibited?

I can remember as a kid not being allowed into a public pool because I had cut offs on. As far as anyone going fully clothed or with a head scarve into a pool is ridiculous. It's a danger to them and more importantly a danger to those that will have to save their ass if they start drowning.
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Old 10-15-2010, 07:12 PM
 
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what if she was just there to watch the family have a good time but had not intention of getting in the water?
It's not a common occurrence but people fall into and drown in pools even when properly attired.
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Old 10-15-2010, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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...Since when has shorts of any nature,long dresses and head coverings been allowed in a swimming pool?
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Since when is it prohibited?

See Page 2.

Rules of Cook County Forest Preserve Aquatic Centers:

http://www.fpdcc.com/downloads/Rules%202010.pdf (broken link)

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Dress Code:
All apparel worn in the pool shall be clean.
Everyone entering the facility must wear a swimming suite. A swim suite
must have a lining.
No one is permitted to walk through the locker rooms, sit anywhere in the facility
or concession unless they are wearing a swimming suite.
No cutoffs, sweats, work clothing, basketball shorts, leotards, thongs, etc.
Once on deck one may only be in one’s bathing suit with an optional cover-up.
Street shoes are not allowed on deck.

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The rules clearly state what the parents were wearing are not allowed in the facility.
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Old 10-15-2010, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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There might be a rule that one cannot under a pool area without wearing swimming attire.

Furthermore, all the pools around here (that I know of) require swimming attire. They also require everyone to shower before entering the swimming area. I thought this rule existed everywhere.
Perhaps. But the rules should have a reasonable foundation for their purpose, must be enforceable, and applicable to all. I have no problem with rules specifically stating that individuals entering the water must be wearing appropriate swimwear. However, if the rules are unfounded, are worded vaguely, or applied arbitrarily, then the entity's (in this case, the government's) decision to prohibit entry has no basis.
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Old 10-15-2010, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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See Page 2.

Rules of Cook County Forest Preserve Aquatic Centers:

http://www.fpdcc.com/downloads/Rules%202010.pdf (broken link)

(PDF)

Dress Code:
All apparel worn in the pool shall be clean.
Everyone entering the facility must wear a swimming suite. A swim suite
must have a lining.
No one is permitted to walk through the locker rooms, sit anywhere in the facility
or concession unless they are wearing a swimming suite.
No cutoffs, sweats, work clothing, basketball shorts, leotards, thongs, etc.
Once on deck one may only be in one’s bathing suit with an optional cover-up.
Street shoes are not allowed on deck.

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The rules clearly state what the parents were wearing are not allowed in the facility.
How does that explain this (from the article)?

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Meanwhile, friends and family who did not wear headscarves entered the water park fully clothed in regular attire without problems, according to the Chicago office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, which filed thea complaint on behalf of the family with the Illinois Department of Human Rights.
Arbitrary application of the rules.
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Old 10-15-2010, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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I can remember as a kid not being allowed into a public pool because I had cut offs on. As far as anyone going fully clothed or with a head scarve into a pool is ridiculous. It's a danger to them and more importantly a danger to those that will have to save their ass if they start drowning.
Agreed. It IS ridiculous. Who goes to the pool full clothed? I don't and it defeats the purpose on a certain level in my opinion.

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It's not a common occurrence but people fall into and drown in pools even when properly attired.
Agreed. But was the basis for the denial of access safety related?
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