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Old 08-11-2010, 09:10 AM
 
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The Contract with America.





The Contract from America (http://www.thecontract.org/2010/08/the-contract-from-america/ - broken link)

August 5, 2010

We, the citizens of the United States of America, call upon those seeking to represent us in public office to sign the Contract from America and by doing so commit to support each of its agenda items and advocate on behalf of individual liberty, limited government, and economic freedom.
  1. Protect the Constitution
  2. Reject Cap & Trade
  3. Demand a Balanced Budget
  4. Enact Fundamental Tax Reform
  5. Restore Fiscal Responsibility & Constitutionally Limited Government
  6. End Runaway Government Spending
  7. Defund, Repeal, & Replace Government-run Health Care
  8. Pass an ‘All-of-the-Above” Energy Policy
  9. Stop the Pork
  10. Stop the Tax Hikes

Contract FROM America
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Old 08-11-2010, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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The "Contract with America", as expected, died in the Senate. But it did provide a lot of talking fodder leading up to the midterm election, and Repubs gained a majority. They are simply trying to use the issue again, for political gain, and know full well, it could never actually be accomplished without bipartisan support. Too many politicians, Repub and Dem, like spending on pet projects in their districts. Over many years, that may change and it gradually is. The public opinion of Congress in general, is not getting better. More and more politicians are recognizing that they will have to start listening to the public and act on their behalf. But, politicians also realize, that some of the things the public cries for are popular, but not necessarily, best.

The Senate vote was a strait party line vote...

About.com: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=105&session=1&vote =00024


Democrats are the spenders.
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Old 08-11-2010, 09:30 AM
 
Location: NC
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The Repubs will likely bring this back up and there is a significant amount of public support for such an amendment. So it will provide them some political talking points for Nov., but the reality is, it would require 2 thirds vote in House and Senate, plus 38 States to ratify. Not going to happen, anytime soon, it would take many years to get it done. Who knows, the President's Deficit Commission may suggest some form of that. Right now, its just going to be meaningless talking point politics, much like the meaningless talking points on the 14th Amendment.

Republicans see balanced budget amendment as potent campaign weapon - TheHill.com
While it is a noble and an idea I agree with in theory, in actuality passing this would cause the largest tax increase in history.

Annual spending from all sources is $3.5 Billion (2.2 B mandatory and 1.3 B discretionary).

Annual receipts from all sources is ~$2.35 Billion.

Receipts currently equal "mandatory spending." This includes Interest Payments, Social Security, Medicare/aid, and other mandatory programs put in law by congress.

Discretionary spending is about equal to our annual deficit.

2/3rds of our discretionary spending is defense. I would argue no one wants to get rid of that (save some loons).

So we are left with $400 billion for the rest of the federal government. So we completely get rid of the ENTIRE federal government minus defense and we still have an $800 billion deficit.

Tax time!

Now if you go and argue about getting rid of the mandatory (different law then a balanced budget amendment), thats good and all but good luck with that. We need to cut benefits by about 50%...

Now lets "pretend" we cut government spending by 20% (that is huge and a bare bones government) and all mandatory benefits by 20% (again huge), we still have a deficit and therefore must raise taxes.

How much of an increase with a 20% cross the board reduction to EVERY government program?

Taxes revenue needed would be near $500 billion, or 20% of total tax receipts.

Are you all prepared for a 20% increase in taxes WITH no government support for anything?


Truth of the matter is: We're screwed...

If the above "scenario" happened, it would be immediate depression according to GDP and employment figures.

We literally are in a mess that can only be fixed by massive growth (education and babies folks) and honestly...inflation.

It sucks, but there is no other answer.

I do agree we need to do some MAJOR CUTS to the government spending though; just be prepared for the pain for a decade (which must happen to fix this!)
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Old 08-11-2010, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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...but the reality is, it would require 2 thirds vote in House and Senate, plus 38 States to ratify. Not going to happen, anytime soon, it would take many years to get it done.
So Bob, if it's going to take many years to get it done then when should we start?

Maybe after you've collected all your benefits?
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Old 08-11-2010, 09:56 AM
 
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Under Clinton's second term they didn't bother with an amendment, they just passed a budget without a deficit.


If by "just passed" you mean they dragged obstructionist Clinton to the alter of fiscal responsibility kicking and screaming, I agree.


"Congress: Balanced budget after seven years using conservative economic forecasts. Clinton: Balanced budget after nine years based on more favorable economic forecasts."

PRESIDENT WARNS CONGRESS TO DROP SOME BUDGET CUTS - NYTimes.com
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