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Old 08-02-2010, 10:25 PM
 
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Alright, I said Right wingers could have said any one on the right. I am talking economics here, don't care about bigots, evangelicals, trophy wives etc.......... So here's the deal, you are for big Government, you think the government should be providing bailouts for big banks, big oil, while eliminating health care, Social Security, Medicare, education, unemployment benefits, all the goodies, on and on and on, we all know the gig. So the question is and it is a serious question, I expect civil responses.........what is the end game where does it end? We know that you are very willing and eager to increase spending to the "Bailouts", you think the "wealthy" are keeping next to nothing of their own money and Corporations are obligated to pay back the "gifts" the government much more than they were . So, when you have brought the average american down to losing their homes, not having a job, and bringing turmoil to their families. Over spent billions on the military and lost unimaginable numbers of our heros in uniform to a war that should never been in iraq to an acceptable level and levied the maximum against the corporations,then what? Is there a point where you say all is good? Where do you go next? Do you lower the definition of working? In your minds what does the perfect scenario look like? Is there a point where you think Government would be to big? Where and how does it end?
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Old 08-02-2010, 10:30 PM
 
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Alright, I said Right wingers could have said any one on the right. I am talking economics here, don't care about bigots, evangelicals, trophy wives etc.......... So here's the deal, you are for big Government, you think the government should be providing bailouts for big banks, big oil, while eliminating health care, Social Security, Medicare, education, unemployment benefits, all the goodies, on and on and on, we all know the gig. So the question is and it is a serious question, I expect civil responses.........what is the end game where does it end? We know that you are very willing and eager to increase spending to the "Bailouts", you think the "wealthy" are keeping next to nothing of their own money and Corporations are obligated to pay back the "gifts" the government much more than they were . So, when you have brought the average american down to losing their homes, not having a job, and bringing turmoil to their families. Over spent billions on the military and lost unimaginable numbers of our heros in uniform to a war that should never been in iraq to an acceptable level and levied the maximum against the corporations,then what? Is there a point where you say all is good? Where do you go next? Do you lower the definition of working? In your minds what does the perfect scenario look like? Is there a point where you think Government would be to big? Where and how does it end?
What the OP has attributed to the Right Wing appears to be exactly what the LEFT has been doing. Projection perhaps?
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Old 08-02-2010, 10:43 PM
 
Location: texas
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What the OP has attributed to the Right Wing appears to be exactly what the LEFT has been doing. Projection perhaps?

Amen to that Projections would be nice......
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Old 08-02-2010, 11:44 PM
 
Location: SA
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I agree that is what the left wingers do, not the right. The right wants a smaller government and less involvement. Let people be accountable for their own decisions, if they got themselves into trouble let them find a way to deal with the consequences.
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Old 08-02-2010, 11:50 PM
 
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Alright, I said Right wingers could have said any one on the right. I am talking economics here, don't care about bigots, evangelicals, trophy wives etc.......... So here's the deal, you are for big Government, you think the government should be providing bailouts for big banks, big oil, while eliminating health care, Social Security, Medicare, education, unemployment benefits, all the goodies, on and on and on, we all know the gig. So the question is and it is a serious question, I expect civil responses.........what is the end game where does it end? We know that you are very willing and eager to increase spending to the "Bailouts", you think the "wealthy" are keeping next to nothing of their own money and Corporations are obligated to pay back the "gifts" the government much more than they were . So, when you have brought the average american down to losing their homes, not having a job, and bringing turmoil to their families. Over spent billions on the military and lost unimaginable numbers of our heros in uniform to a war that should never been in iraq to an acceptable level and levied the maximum against the corporations,then what? Is there a point where you say all is good? Where do you go next? Do you lower the definition of working? In your minds what does the perfect scenario look like? Is there a point where you think Government would be to big? Where and how does it end?
I'm going to take a guess here. Once the gap between haves and have nots is so huge, the benevolent overlord corporation will lower everyones wages to a level they feel comfortable paying in a bastardized version of capitalism. This way 'government IS the problem' will no longer be a problem because they will have completely abdicated any and all authority. Most children won't get a job requiring higher levels of education so we'll save big by eliminating them completely.
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Old 08-02-2010, 11:55 PM
 
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I agree that is what the left wingers do, not the right. The right wants a smaller government and less involvement. Let people be accountable for their own decisions, if they got themselves into trouble let them find a way to deal with the consequences.
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Letting people be accountable for their own decisions doesn't mean the same thing when a republican think tank authors catastrophic policy/ legislation?
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:31 AM
 
Location: Texas
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What the OP has attributed to the Right Wing appears to be exactly what the LEFT has been doing. Projection perhaps?
Obvious the op has blinders on, or doesn't know economics, or both. The difference between the parties is not handouts with money stolen from citizens, it is which of their buddies get the handouts.

Obama said this but it can be attributed to the previous Presidents too imo, "It's our turn, we won". Too bad the majority of the public looses.
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:39 AM
 
Location: Thumb of Michigan
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I agree that is what the left wingers do, not the right. The right wants a smaller government and less involvement. Let people be accountable for their own decisions, if they got themselves into trouble let them find a way to deal with the consequences.
You're right about the right wanting smaller government and less involvement, but not entirely for the reasons you elude to. There are some Democratic corporate shills, but not nearly as many on the right whose quasi-governcorporation ideology reeks like that of a hog farm.
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Old 08-03-2010, 01:26 AM
 
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Do you mean end game or final solution? I'm almost afraid to ask.
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Old 08-03-2010, 01:49 AM
 
Location: Eastern Missouri
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I am a Conservative, Constitutionalist if you will. The left has always been about more government, more laws, etc. Now in the last 15 or so years there have been plenty of rhino's who claim to be on the right, but they also have wanted more government regulations, dept.'s, etc. My opinion is we need to eliminate 50% of the government agencies we have started since 1964. That would be a good start. In another year, eliminate the other 50% with the ONLY exception would be the SBA. And revamp it so it actually works.
As for the bailouts, for the banks, it was a scam, pure and simple. I keep hearing the left "claim" the right wants bailouts for big oil, but show the proof. Made up bs from what I've seen, and frankly, they do not need any bailouts. The only companies I see that needed a hand up, not a hand out as has been done, should have been the car companies only because of the severe restrictions needlessly put on them by the government.

Now it's clear the OP isn't much on what the government is supposed to be spending money on; THE MILITARY! Thats right, the number 1 responsibility
of government spending is supposed to be on the Military. Not the way it is today, but according to the Constitution, and guidelines set in it of the governments role, it is supposed to be the main expense. That has nothing to do with the 2 wars we in, that is actually 1 war. Don't confuse those.

As for the "wealthy" thing, it's class warfare nonsense, and if you want that, go to india. They have a subhuman thing called the cast system, and those complaining about how much someone else has must be jealous.
Look, I'm not wealthy by any means, in fact I feel I am under paid in my profession. But I never begrudge anyone else's money success because I have yet to meet a poor man that created thousands of jobs for people to make a living. Met alot of poor people needing the wealthy to help them out tho!!!
1 last thing, the economy was doing fair before the left took over Congress in 2006. Not great, but hell of alot better than the rest of the worlds economy. Remember the promises of the nutjob left? "Let us take over Congress and we'll improve everyone's standard of living". So far all the left has done is ruin the economy, cost tens of thousands of families homes to be lost, and when in the hell is the pos in the whitehouse going to accept responsibility for stinking up the place? Seriously, it's been 18 months and he's still blaming bush, but after only 3 months in 2001 the left was telling bush it's on you clinton is out. Sounds to me like alot of double standard!!! Of course blaming bush is easier than admitting the left controlled congress is at fault since 2006 elections!
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