41 years later-Red Skelton on the Pledge

[roysoldboy]

Originally Posted by sickofnyc

and if a religious observer believes this...precisely why there need not be designated areas of prayer and worship.

If the Christian God is everywhere there doesn't need to be a prescribed place to pray, unlike Muslims who have to gather facing Mecca 5 times each day. I am sure that any "good" Muslim faces Mecca each time he prays. Notice I said he.

[roysoldboy]

Originally Posted by JetJockey

Sometimes, but not always.

Then you must think Obama does that one the right way, huh. You don't hold you hand where he does, I hope.

[mkfarnam]

Originally Posted by Ceece

Why would that matter to you? Just out of curiosity.

Just to settle your curiosity:

It was only a question.

At one time, holding your right hand over your heart in front of the American Flag showed Pride, Honor and Respect to the USA.
Simular to the Military Salute.

But I'm sure you already knew this.

[mkfarnam]

Originally Posted by roysoldboy

Then you must think Obama does that one the right way, huh. You don't hold you hand where he does, I hope.

There are photo's of Obama holding his left hand to his chest while facing the US Flag.

[jetgraphics]

Technically speaking, the original Pledge and the subsequent Pledge of Allegiance is unAmerican Socialist twaddle.

You have to dissect the pledge's terminology, to discover that the "Pledge" is anathema to the Declaration of Independence, wherein governments are instituted to secure rights, not demand that the people serve the government.

Allegiance -
1. Loyalty or the obligation of loyalty, as to a nation, sovereign, or cause.
2. The obligations of a vassal to a lord.

What's the problem with pledging allegiance to a sovereign?

It's an act of submission.

Why is that anathema to America?

"The people of the state, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the king by his own prerogative."
Lansing v. Smith, (1829) 4 Wendell 9, (NY)

"At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country."
Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463

"It will be admitted on all hands that with the exception of the powers granted to the states and the federal government, through the Constitutions, the people of the several states are unconditionally sovereign within their respective states."
Ohio L. Ins. & T. Co. v. Debolt 16 How. 416, 14 L.Ed. 997

In America, however, the case is widely different. Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people.
[ Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)]

By the way, that's what the "Republican form of government" really means (See: Article 4, Section 4, USCON).

"GOVERNMENT (Republican Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695

American people are sovereign, directly exercise sovereignty, except in those cases when that power is specially delegated to the servant government.

In short, the government owes a pledge of allegiance to the SOVEREIGN PEOPLE, not the other way around.

[janelle144]

Originally Posted by sickofnyc

and if a religious observer believes this...precisely why there need not be designated areas of prayer and worship.

Most who believe in God do not need a certain area to pray. Any area would do.

[Huckleberry3911948]

i love red skeleton. a great shriner and mason. the god haters play a tricky game. they can go after christians they can go after americans, those groups are riddled with self condemnation but they cant go after muslims-- who are also god people but that group doesnt turn the other cheek.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by janelle144

Most who believe in God do not need a certain area to pray. Any area would do.

Tell the Islamic wackos this.