Bad White Neighborhoods in PGH?

[PreservationPioneer]

Originally Posted by safak

102 single family residence sales in the past year.
-more were 10k(13) or under than 100k+(8)
-over 40%, yes 40% of them were 25k or less.
-64% of the home sales were sub 50k
Those aren't myths!

They aren't hard to sell, if they are priced right and in decent neighborhoods. I never said that people could easily sell a house for more than it's worth. Low house values also mean affordable home ownership.

Many of the homes that are sold in McKeesport need complete rehab, so it is not surprising that the prices trend lower. It has a lot to do with the condition of properties being sold.

the very few that sold for 100k+ are in the 'suburb', totally removed from the 'city of some size' where the cops live and there is no foot traffic or city atmosphere to it at all.

You mean Haler Heights or "Pill Hill." I agree. There are nice neighborhoods with sub-100k houses and even sub-50k houses, though. Fawcett Plan, Myer Park, Grandview, Christy Park, Library District. And some of the "not nice" neighborhoods, which are run down but still safe.

[Uptown kid]

I know that white hoods, once they spend some time in jail, tend to be recruited into nazi gangs, but my impression is that prior to this, they tend to be quite socially integrated, unlike their typically racist parents. I'd actually say for that reason I tend to think there will not be multi-generational "white hoods" in Pittsburgh in another two generations, as nearly everyone in this social class will be mixed race.

That was definitely true in the 80's and 90's though in the county jail... the 1992 Lawrencville Crips became the Ayran Circle, they weren't the only ones.
This is only the case in PA Federal correctional pens and high security state prisons today. Neo Nazi dynamic is more present in Beaver/Westmoreland/Washington/Lawrence county jails. Where there are white youth from mixed race towns and rural rebel/Confederate flag communities who intermix while incarcerated. Armsrtrong/Indiana/Mercer/Butler are reputed for more hidden rebel flag/neo-nazi squad areas, but I don't know about that...

[safak]

Exactly my point, you pretty much have to give them away. We agree on that, and its great you don't mind it there. Most people do.
Trust me I know McKeesport very well I come from a family (one side of it) that was from there since great grandfather. There are a ton of upstanding, hard working, educated citizens, even younger ones, who are from McKeesport.
They call themselves Norwin Knights.

[Uptown kid]

Originally Posted by PreservationPioneer

They aren't hard to sell, if they are priced right and in decent neighborhoods. I never said that people could easily sell a house for more than it's worth. Low house values also mean affordable home ownership.

Many of the homes that are sold in McKeesport need complete rehab, so it is not surprising that the prices trend lower. It has a lot to do with the condition of properties being sold.



You mean Haler Heights or "Pill Hill." I agree. There are nice neighborhoods with sub-100k houses and even sub-50k houses, though. Fawcett Plan, Myer Park, Grandview, Christy Park, Library District. And some of the "not nice" neighborhoods, which are run down but still safe.

What do you know about the 2500-3500blk of Versailles Ave? How would you explain areas like: Uptown- from Huey St to N Soles St (Ward 6); Bailie Ave area (7th Ward); Stewart St-"Mid Town" (7th Ward) or 5th Ward from Walnut to Huey St.... What about 8th Ward excluding the nicer part and Crawford Village? Like streets from Pirl St to N Grandview such as Chester, Freeland, Jersey, Boyd, etc. I know around Walnut St there are new neighborhoods/restored neighborhoods as well.

I'm not talking about crime especially given that most reading this are law abiders... More or less neighborhood dynamics/ state of decline or stability

[max.b]

Originally Posted by Goinback2011

There are many neighborhoods and homes that would meet those requirements.

Of course. The question is how much $...

[jea6321]

Originally Posted by aw_now_what

Don't believe the myths. I've lived in Lawrenceville for decades, and have always felt safe here. Day and night, walking alone, whatever.

I grew up in whats considered a bad part of marshall-shadeland. I always felt safe as well, but that does not mean it wasnt a rough neighborhood. Lawrenceville was very similar 10+ years ago. An outsider would feel unsafe, but when its your home neighborhood you dont tend to see it that way.

[PreservationPioneer]

Originally Posted by safak

Exactly my point, you pretty much have to give them away. We agree on that, and its great you don't mind it there. Most people do.
Trust me I know McKeesport very well I come from a family (one side of it) that was from there since great grandfather. There are a ton of upstanding, hard working, educated citizens, even younger ones, who are from McKeesport.
They call themselves Norwin Knights.

I don't think selling a house for $50,000 is giving it away. As someone from small town, rust belt America, old houses often sell for that amount in OH, MI, and PA. It's not uncommon to be able to buy a $50k old house. That's what you can sell a decent house in a decent part of McKeesport for. For a nice house, you can get more. For a rehab, you get less.

[PreservationPioneer]

Originally Posted by Uptown kid

What do you know about the 2500-3500blk of Versailles Ave? How would you explain areas like: Uptown- from Huey St to N Soles St (Ward 6); Bailie Ave area (7th Ward); Stewart St-"Mid Town" (7th Ward) or 5th Ward from Walnut to Huey St.... What about 8th Ward excluding the nicer part and Crawford Village? Like streets from Pirl St to N Grandview such as Chester, Freeland, Jersey, Boyd, etc. I know around Walnut St there are new neighborhoods/restored neighborhoods as well.

I'm not talking about crime especially given that most reading this are law abiders... More or less neighborhood dynamics/ state of decline or stability

McKeesport has been in decline so long that I think neighborhoods, due to blight, can look worse than they are. I'm sure that there are safe neighborhoods in McKeesport that look rough. I really don't like the area around upper Evans and Soles. That area gives me vibes, but it might be all in my head. The wards near downtown are so dead and abandoned that I think they are pretty quiet. The 3rd ward is a ghost town. I have friends who live on Shaw and it's peaceful there. Versailles Avenue going east from Evans gets more stable as you go along. Actually, Versailles Ave seems okay for the most part. It's one of the main drags, the others being Jenny Lind and Walnut. Jenny Lind is in rough shape below Evans.