Iron City Brewery (Pittsburgh, Penn: leases, buying, bankruptcy)

[groar]

by the way, if anyone is concerned about the owner of the brewery building's illegal demolition of historic buildings in the complex, there is going to be a rally in front of the building this wednesday at 6:30.

[gg]

Originally Posted by MathmanMathman

Wow, I never thought of drinking a local beer as being...."green". Al Gore should have mentioned that in "An Inconvenient Truth".

Everything "local" would be more green. A tractor trailer truck gets like 4-6 mpg and it has to deliver that beer that is advertised at all the NASCAR events. Why not just drink something brewed down the street?

Ah well, there is no hope. No one cares about all that. Just look around and I realize I am a minority group, to the point of almost not even existing. It is what it is and will never change.

Anyway those old buildings need to come down. They are too far gone and impeding progress. What the area really needs is a big parking garage. That is the future.

[groar]

i don't know if you're serious or not hcurtis, but no matter what you or anyone else thinks should be on that lot, those buildings were torn down illegally. if the owners want to tear stuff down they need to get permits.

[eschaton]

I talked about this with my wife, as her architecture firm was involved in some of the initial consultation on the site's historic status.

They were attempting to convince the city the whole site didn't warrant historic status, just some of the buildings. There are many warehouses further back in the site which were built as recently as the 1970s, which completely typical of industrial architecture from that time - e.g., rusty metal boxes with no windows. Her assumption is Collier demolished some of these.

That said, of course they did not go through the proper regulatory structure to do so.

[gg]

Originally Posted by groar

i don't know if you're serious or not hcurtis, but no matter what you or anyone else thinks should be on that lot, those buildings were torn down illegally. if the owners want to tear stuff down they need to get permits.

Unlike most all people on here, I have actually looked at those buildings closely. They are very dangerous to actually stand next to. Bricks falling from the huge chimneys and a host of other issues. It isn't safe for them to be standing.

Good luck dreaming about them being "saved". The damage was done when Pittsburgh stopped supporting the local company. Now Pittsburgh wants to save the shell? What about the jobs? Tax revenue? Pittsburgh created the mess the buildings are in. Don't forget that part of all this.

[pman]

Originally Posted by h_curtis

Unlike most all people on here, I have actually looked at those buildings closely. They are very dangerous to actually stand next to. Bricks falling from the huge chimneys and a host of other issues. It isn't safe for them to be standing.

Good luck dreaming about them being "saved". The damage was done when Pittsburgh stopped supporting the local company. Now Pittsburgh wants to save the shell? What about the jobs? Tax revenue? Pittsburgh created the mess the buildings are in. Don't forget that part of all this.

that's just silly

[gg]

Originally Posted by pman

that's just silly

Explain the bricks all over the place on the ground around the backside of those buildings and tell me again it is silly. Have a walk around that place. Have you? Not driving by in some car and saying, oh look at the cool old buildings. I am talking about looking at them. I doubt ANYONE on here has actually STOPPED their cars and really looked at the buildings. Driving by something is not looking at them for what they really are.

[pman]

Originally Posted by h_curtis

Explain the bricks all over the place on the ground around the backside of those buildings and tell me again it is silly. Have a walk around that place. Have you? Not driving by in some car and saying, oh look at the cool old buildings. I am talking about looking at them. I doubt ANYONE on here has actually STOPPED their cars and really looked at the buildings. Driving by something is not looking at them for what they really are.

there's a restaurant on site, when did Iron city run a good restaurant? church brew works seems to be doing ok. the fact is, Iron city ran a bad business. it's easy to throw a few bricks on the ground and claim it's falling down.

[groar]

Originally Posted by h_curtis

Unlike most all people on here, I have actually looked at those buildings closely. They are very dangerous to actually stand next to. Bricks falling from the huge chimneys and a host of other issues. It isn't safe for them to be standing.

Good luck dreaming about them being "saved". The damage was done when Pittsburgh stopped supporting the local company. Now Pittsburgh wants to save the shell? What about the jobs? Tax revenue? Pittsburgh created the mess the buildings are in. Don't forget that part of all this.

what part of ILLEGAL do you not understand?

if the buildings were unsafe, they should have gotten permission from the city to demolish them. are you an anarchist?

i have not examined the buildings myself but a friend of mine who is a preservationist has, in great detail. she verified that at least some of the buildings that were demolished *were* historic as well. they were not all warehouses from the 70s. they're also leaving giant piles of demolition rubble leaning on other historic buildings right now.

[scrapp]

Originally Posted by h_curtis

Good luck dreaming about them being "saved". The damage was done when Pittsburgh stopped supporting the local company. Now Pittsburgh wants to save the shell? What about the jobs? Tax revenue? Pittsburgh created the mess the buildings are in. Don't forget that part of all this.

??? My recollection is that part of the trouble is that the brewery didn't pay their water bill, then they wanted a government handout to get out of the trouble. PWSA sued them.