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Old 12-02-2013, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Wicker Park, Chicago
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Did you download and analyze that D70 image from that website? It wasn't impressive concerning zoom level and image details. If that's what I'd get buying a D70 + lens I wouldn't be too happy.
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Old 12-02-2013, 06:08 PM
 
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I wouldn't waste my time you are downloading a low quality compressed jpeg and then blowing it up to poster size.

If you are not working off the origonal file you are not looking at the real deal.
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Old 12-02-2013, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Wicker Park, Chicago
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I think the review website posted the original image, not a downsized / downsampled one.
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Old 12-02-2013, 06:11 PM
 
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It is a compressed jpeg. the origonal file was 20 mps. i looked at it and i see no pixelation at all at 100%. it was compressed to just under 10mps .

but i still se no artifacts. are you trying to blow up the 100% crop version? that already is cropped to 100% and compressed by 50% if you do it also you cropped it to 100% on top of that

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Old 12-02-2013, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Wicker Park, Chicago
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I don't know what crop terminology means, like a 100% crop. All I know was that I zoomed up on the image and it was no more impressive than the 20 MP images from my Sony DSC HX300 bridge camera.

If I took that same scene with my Sony camera I'd set my zoom to 25X and take the scene with 6 shots. Then I'd photomerge it in Photoshop to get a big detailed high MP image, that gives good detail in zooms.
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Old 12-02-2013, 06:31 PM
 
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i already told you more megapixels does not equate to more details or a better image, it only matters when cropping or printing for the most part.. look at the details in what i posted. they are all under 5 mps. in fact you are looking at under 2 mps posted here because it is compressed even more for posting.

You can see each cell that makes up the insects eye.
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Old 02-14-2014, 06:33 PM
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Lately, I have been tempted by the new Sony E-mount full frame cameras. They come in two flavors: Sony A7 with 24mp and A7r with 36mp and anti-aliasing filter removed. A7 is probably more versatile until I consider that 36mp leaves a lot of room to simply crop, or use lenses in APSc mode where it still gives 16MP which is 2mp more than I get from my NeX-3 today and same as my A55. With A7, using the camera with APSc lenses or with FF lenses in crop mode drops the resolution to 10mp.
Focus Camera is selling the A7,24-70mm FE lens, F60M flash,64GB SD card, Photoshop lightroom 5 for $1,798 right now. This includes an instant rebate of 405 bucks. You also get a $300 credit by sending in a bad or old camera to them. The old camera doesn't have to arrive at their store before you get the 300 bucks credit. This tells me that they just want to give that additional $300 off no matter what. Just email them about this as a reminder. I don't know how reputable the store is though since i don't live in NY.


Sony ILCE-7K/B ILCE7KB 24.3 MP a7K Interchangeable Lens Camera with 64GB Deluxe Accessory Kit | Focus Camera
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Old 02-18-2014, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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I have a Panasonic FZ200 bridge camera, which seems to be very rarely spoken about here but has received good reviews. The most impressive specification on it is the lens, F/2.8 aperture all the way from 25 to 600 mm, 35mm equivalent. At the longer zooms, DSLR-style bokeh is possible.

However, that's actually about 4.5-108mm with the image sensor it uses. And the sensor is absolutely terrible (considering how much I paid for the camera) at high ISOs. Noise is apparent even at the lowest ISO setting, although not distracting; at ISO 400, you have to shoot in RAW to have a good chance of a good shot; and ISOs above 800? Forget about it, although I've gotten the rare good shot at ISO 1200 (interestingly, without post-processing).

Just for comparison, even a cheap six- or seven-year-old DSLR will shoot fine pictures up to about ISO 1600. The Canon T3i - a three-year old DSLR that costs about the same with a kit lens - is only marginally worse at ISO 800 than the FZ200 is at ISO 100. ISO 3200 on the T3i produces about as much noise as ISO 400 on the FZ200.

In good lighting (as in a partly cloudy day), the camera is fine. It produces decent night shots of still objects when mounted on a tripod. It also has an EXCELLENT video mode, 1080p60 at 28 mbps, and slow-motion video modes (720p @ 120 fps, VGA @ 240 fps). It has a full-manual video mode. It shoots manually-focused RAW images at 10 fps. It's a really good camera, basically, but does not produce great shots for many common uses, e.g. kids running around in an even well-lit room.

One of the main reasons people buy "bridge cameras" is because they are smaller and less cumbersome than a DSLR. My FZ200 is smaller, and weighs less than a T3i with the kit lens...not to mention a 400mm lens. I have been complimented numerous times on my "nice camera", especially when decked out with a tripod and remote control shutter, and would probably say it has an equal chance of getting stolen as does a DSLR.

My next camera purchase will probably be a used T3i or 60D or (on the complete opposite end of things) the Sony RX100. Ideally I'd have all three - the Sony as a carry-around camera, the Panasonic for tight zooms and video, and the Canon for its low-light performance and dynamic range. Oh, and don't forget the GoPro

I'll post some pictures from my FZ when I have a better connection to Flickr...

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Old 02-18-2014, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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OK, here they are (samples from my FZ200):

1/250s at f/5.6, 600mm focal length equivalent:


Moon V. 2 by tvdxer, on Flickr

1/400s at f/4, ISO 100:


Central Hillside by tvdxer, on Flickr

(Lost EXIF data, but of RAW origin, was processed using the sub-par included software on a slow computer, zoomed in about 12x),


Aerial Lift Bridge, 7 October 2012 by tvdxer, on Flickr


Tycoon's Alehouse and Adjoining Building (pseudo-HDR version) by tvdxer, on Flickr


P2 by tvdxer, on Flickr
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Pompano Beach
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If photography is your hobby, it all comes down to user experience and image quality. When your camera meets all your requirements then improving personal photography skills yields better results than switching equipment/brand under influence of people that have a different point of view. I’d say enjoy shooting with your current camera and don’t look for excuses not to.
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So why go the big lens / DSLR route when my Sony Bridge camera will give a 50x - 1200mm zoom?
1. Bridge camera doesn’t cover focal length of <24mm. A fixed lens camera is compact, but you can’t enjoy the benefit of trying better lenses.
2. Print Quality and Print Size. 1/2.3” sensor cameras may provide IQ good enough for prints up to 5x7”. APS-C sensor can produce images that can be printed with excellent quality up to 20x30”. I’d advise you to rent a larger sensor camera and test for yourself.
3. Better depth of field control with APS-C sensor camera.
4. Better high ISO performance at least by 2 stops with APS-C sensor camera.
5. Faster focus speed and higher hit rate with DSLR.
6. RAW format is standard on most DSLRs.
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Would a professional photographer use a bridge camera just for it's zoom?
Doubt. They try to make money with their shots and would rather rent all necessary equipment to get the best image quality.
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