Gilbert school board orders pages ripped from textbooks (Scottsdale: private school, law)

[stevek64]

Aren't these board members elected positions? If that's the case, the people have spoken/they got what they voted for and all the rest of us can either complain/agree and choose to/not to live there. And those who complain about this and live in Gilbert and don't vote have nothing to say in my book.

[azriverfan.]

Gilbert is a great city. I genuinely mean that. It's clean, safe and booming. it's just not for everyone. It's certainly not for me and it's a big reason I didn't move or relocate there despite having some of the most beautiful neighborhoods and communities in the Valley. I'm a southern California kid and Chandler, and Tempe more closely reflects the values, diversity and culture of California from a social element. We raised our kids mostly in Chandler. My kids freely played at their neighbors homes. They were invited over. No one discussed religion or taking anyone to church. Most of my kids attended the local public schools when they were younger (private when older) and they never had to deal with a large segment of their class attending a certain church. They never had to deal with a large portion of their class attending a church summer camp or church ski trip.

This ruling doesn't anger or surprise me. Gilbert is a very conservative community so issues like this will continue to persist. I'm not the least bit surprised that many teachers and administrators have left the Gilbert school district due to Religious Big Brother trying to push their views on them.

Let's not kid ourselves. Many read these headlines and approved of this ruling and will probably move to Gilbert because they feel that Gilbert endorses their beliefs. I have no problem with that. I'm sure many conservatives feel the same way about Phoenix, Tempe and Chandler becoming too diverse and liberal; they are probably looking to move to Gilbert.

[Kimballette]

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

Gilbert is a great city, it's just not for everyone. It's certainly not for me and it's a big reason I didn't move or relocate there despite having some of the most beautiful neighborhoods and communities in the Valley. I'm a southern California kid and Chandler, and Tempe more closely reflects the values, diversity and culture of California from a social element. We raised our kids mostly in Chandler. My kids freely played at their neighbors homes. They were invited over. No one discussed religion or taking anyone to church. Most of kids attended the local public schools when they were younger (private when older) and they never had to deal with a large segment of their class attending a certain church.

This ruling doesn't anger or surprise me. Gilbert is a very conservative community so issues like this will continue to persist. I'm not the least bit surprised that many teachers and administrators have left the Gilbert school district due to Religious Big Brother trying to push their views on them.

Let's not kid ourselves. Many read these headlines and approved of this ruling and will probably move to Gilbert because they feel that Gilbert endorses their beliefs. I have no problem with that. No one is forced to living there. I certainly could never live there.

I agree Gilbert's a lovely community, but not for everyone. But this particular circus is not related to Mormon influence.

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by Kimballette

I agree Gilbert's a lovely community, but not for everyone. But this particular circus is not related to Mormon influence.

Yeah I agree. Gilbert has a lot of evangelicals aside from Mormons. It may have started out as a Mormon town but other Christian Evangelicals recognized the city and it's community share similar values and moved there in droves in the 2000's.

People don't want to hear this but a lot of people prefer Gilbert for it's conservative values. In their minds, it translates to safety, cleanliness, good schools and nice neighbors. Maybe there is some truth to that but the whole Children of the Corn vibe doesn't work for me.

[Voebe]

OMIGOD!

[2nd trick op]

Originally Posted by sandy6879

I honestly become more and more enraged every time something like this comes up. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how this happens in this day and age. We live in CUSD, but the sheer and utter ignorance that is being spouted by these board members is astounding. And - BTW - the whole leaving school every day for a class period so the kids can go RELIGIOUS EDUCATION on school time also irritates me. Sorry, do all the religious stuff on your own time. Leave it out of the schools. Schools are there to teach FACTS not what your religious views dictate. You want a religious education? Send them to parochial school. Otherwise, go back to FACTS.

And if you want an indoctination in socialism and the deification of the Leftist clique called the NEA, let them go to public schools.

Personally, I don't want either extreme ..... and privatization of all education (backed by a voucher system) would solve the problem. That's why the state-backed monopolists of the NEA will fight it to the last ditch.

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by 2nd trick op

And if you want an indoctination in socialism and the deification of the Leftist clique called the NEA, let them go to public schools.

Personally, I don't want either extreme ..... and privatization of all education (backed by a voucher system) would solve the problem. That's why the monopolists of the NEA will fight it to the last ditch.

Sorry but I don't see public schools forcing Hinduism, Judaism, Islam and Buddhism on their students. Calling public schools leftist is ridiculous. Basically, anything that does not support Christian Evangelicalism is called leftist and liberal to you. Nothing could be further from the truth. It's gotten so ridiculous that normal elements are now called liberal. Not forcing a particular set of religious beliefs upon someone was just called NORMAL 20 years ago regardless of where you lived.

I'm not a Lefty. I make fun of liberals too. I remember SF tried to ban happy meals from carrying toys because it encouraged children to eat fast food or some nonsense. Okay, that is "Liberal"

Not forcing someone to abide by the tenets of one religious faith is called NORMAL not Liberal. There is a difference.

In this case, this is absolutely imposing conservative Christian principles upon the student body. There should not be any effort to recommend any form of contraception. Just discuss what the methods of contraception are. People can then decide for themselves based on their own ideology which method is preferred. However, it's just ridiculous that there is some rule that states abstinence and adoption should taught as being superior to abortion.

[2nd trick op]

No .... anything that doesn't recognize that economic, as well as expressionary freedom are unitary and indivisible, and that a free society demands open markets, is Leftism to me.

I recognize the need for a "safety net" as well .... under strict local control

Religion, like sexuality, is a private matter; Big Brother (and Sister) should keep their nose out of both peoples' bedrooms and their livelihood.

[43north87west]

Originally Posted by 2nd trick op

And if you want an indoctination in socialism and the deification of the Leftist clique called the NEA, let them go to public schools.

Yeah, not like removing pages from textbooks, or sending kids to religious education during school hours is indoctrinating them or anything.

[observer53]

This is NOT an LDS/Mormon driven issue, by the way, as pointed out upthread.