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Old 02-11-2009, 04:23 AM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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and also, just because someone wins a lawsuit doesn't exactly prove anything. Most juries have people on them I wouldn't trust with a butter knife.
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Old 02-11-2009, 04:28 AM
 
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A ticked off parent? I think that would be more like a heart broken parent. And let me ask you this. When you have a runny nose, coughing and sneezing, do you need a doctor to tell you that you have a cold? How can you look at these previously healthy 27 girls, from all over the country that suddenly get sick with nothing else in common, other than their symptoms and the fact that they had the Gardasil shot and say it's not the shot? The really sad thing is that probably more girls will have to die before others like you, believe it. I'll use the vioxx example one more time, how many people had to get sick and die before it was pulled? What about phen phen? What about Rezulin, that was also fast tracked and then proven to kill people? I could go on and on, but the point is that these drugs get fast tracked, don't get the testing they need, are advertised as the new 'super cure" and then kill people. It takes too many people dying, too many people permanently damaged before "enough" people and proof have been gathered!What is that cut off? How many people and injuries consitute ENOUGH? Does it take my daughter? Or your sister? I think there have already been TWENTY SEVEN GIRLS TOO MANY. Do you know 27 girls? Think about which 27 girls you could live without over a drug that didn't get tested enough.
27 out of how many? Should we pull other meds that people have reactions to also??? 27 girls that may have or may not have died because of this vaccine.
Let's get away from death from cervical cancer. How about hysterectomies at the age of 19. Not able to ever have children because of a one night stand? There are more negatives than just death to cancer.
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Old 02-11-2009, 04:34 AM
 
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Vaccine Safety Group Releases GARDASIL Reaction Report
New Page 4

In addition to the four cases of death from blood clots, there was also one reported
death due to myocarditis, which is an inflammation of the heart, as well as one death
from arrhythmia and one death from meningitis. Both the arrhythmia and meningitis
cases occurred months after the patients received the Gardasil vaccine; the myocarditis
death occurred six days after vaccination but was a pre-existing condition. Even
excluding these deaths though, there are still fourteen cases that occurred within three
weeks of receiving the vaccine. One was from anaphylactic shock:
An 11-year-old female was vaccinated “within the
past month” in approximately May 2007 with a first
dose of Gardasil. Subsequently, 3 days after
vaccination the patient presented to an ER . . . the
physician from the hospital said that “the death was
due to an anaphylactic reaction to Gardasil.”
VAERS ID: 280163-1 (D)


The remaining deaths reported to VAERS all have unknown causes; however, all but one
occurred within three weeks of receiving Gardasil, and six occurred within three days.
Below are additional excerpts from deaths with no apparent cause reported to VAERS:
A 18-year-old female patient was vaccinated with the first
dose of Gardasil . . . In the evening of the same day she was
found unconscious (or liveless) [sic] by the mother.
Resuscitation was performed by the emergency doctor but
was unsuccessful, i.e. the patient finally died . . . The cause
of death of this patient remains totally unclear.
VAERS ID: 300741-1 (D).
* * *
A 19-year-old female with no previous medical history
reported, who on 19-Sep-2007 was vaccinated with the 1st
dose of Gardasil . . . On the morning of 12-Oct-2007, the
patient was found dead in her bed . . . Contraception was
stopped 3 months before vaccination. No reason for the
death was detected in autopsy.
VAERS ID: 299377-1 (D)
* * *
Information has been received from a physician’s assistant
concerning a 12-year-old female with no reported medical
history who on approximately 15-Sep-2007 was vaccinated
with Gardasil . . . On 06-OCT-2007 the patient died in her
sleep. No further information was provided.
VAERS ID: 297528-1 (D)
* * *
Sudden unattended death [February 22, 2007] . . . patient
[17-year-old female with no medical history or known
allergies] last seen in office by nurse only on 2/20 for HPV
#3 . . . The autopsy was negative for all findings. Scene
indicated sudden death from collapse and fall.
VAERS ID: 305606-1 (D)
* * *
Information has been received from a physician concerning
a 20-year-old female with no medical history reported, who
on 01-APR-2008 was vaccinated with a dose of Gardasil.
On 05-APR-2008, the patient died four days after receiving
Gardasil . . . An autopsy was performed which ruled out
suicide and anything suspicious. The cause of death is
currently unknown.
VAERS ID: 310262-1 (D) 49
Perhaps all these deaths are simply coincidence, but given the unknowns about Gardasil
and its overall safety, it is far too important an issue to simply ignore.

There are countless websites I could have listed, but just pulled a couple and a few excerpts a paper by the CDC. I also found this and thought it to be interesting:



Merck’s last wonder drug, Vioxx, was pulled from the market in 2002, after an
estimated 88,000 to 140,000 adverse reactions were attributed to it. Vioxx, like Gardasil,
was fast-tracked by the FDA in 1999, without a full safety testing and analysis period
taking place. It was an anti-inflammatory drug designed to relieve people suffering from
arthritis, menstrual cramps, and acute pain. Merck voluntarily pulled Vioxx from the
market after a safety trial was stopped because, “there was an increased risk for serious
cardiovascular events, such as heart attacks and strokes.”50 Vioxx was pulled after five
years on the market and after contributing to 27,785 heart attacks and sudden cardiac
deaths, in addition to other events, as estimated by the FDA.51 Analysts estimate that the
Vioxx recall decreased Merck’s stock value drastically, and could cost Merck anywhere
from $3 to $20 billion. Less than two years after Merck suffered this severe blow, the
company introduced Gardasil, the most expensive vaccine on the market, and it was
approved by the FDA.

I could go on and on and I'm sure you could pull five hundred websites saying it's safe.That was the reason for the tit for tat comment. I don't have to justify my feelings on this to you, just as you don't for me. You aren't going to change my mind, and honestly I'm not trying to change yours.You are obviously a grown woman, however, what I do think is important is that parents look at BOTH points of view and decide for themselves, not just take their doctor's word that this vaccine is safe. I will again point out that everyone thought vioxx was safe and look how many people had to have side effects / or die before the truth was found out about that drug. And as for PARENTS not giving the vaccine when their kids are sick, I have been at the doctor's office and been told "oh it's just a cold, they can get the vaccine". Ummm NOPE! But again, most parents believe that their doctors know what is best for their children.
Vioxx was prescribed to MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. Of course there are adverse reactions to medications. That's why you have to weigh risks and benefits.
FYI: anaphylaxis doesn't happen over days, it happens over seconds and minutes: Symptoms develop rapidly, often within seconds or minutes.
MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia: Anaphylaxis
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Old 02-11-2009, 07:12 AM
 
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And how many of those people on vioxx had heart disease, htn, cardiovascular problems before being put on vioxx. Now how many athritics are suffering because vioxx was the only thing that enabled them to function as a normal adult? I don't think it should have been pulled at all, let people make a decision on what their priorities are.
Actually, vioxx hasn't been pulled. But now they make you aware of the side effects and those that are predisposed to heart issues arent given the drug. My problem with all these drugs is that ALL of the info isn't given. The drug companies only publish or ackowledge what THEY WANT us to know. If all the info is out there and people can make an INFORMED decion, that's fine. But don't tell me the only that can happen is my kid is gonna have a sore arm where she got a shot and then later admit ( which they still haven't) that Oh yeah, you can also develop autoimmune issues, pancreatitis, blindness, heart attacks, strokes, DEATH etc etc.

My point is, don't lie to the American public and tell them something is safe when it clearly isn't. Put the risks, ALL of the risks out there and let us decide.
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Old 02-11-2009, 07:21 AM
 
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27 out of how many? Should we pull other meds that people have reactions to also??? 27 girls that may have or may not have died because of this vaccine.
Let's get away from death from cervical cancer. How about hysterectomies at the age of 19. Not able to ever have children because of a one night stand? There are more negatives than just death to cancer.
Actually, the number is now up to 35. And yes! Gardasil should be pulled because the proper testing has not been done and they ( the drug company) are not being honest about the possible side effects. Be honest and let us make a truly informed decision.

I have had a family member die of cancer and it was one of the worst things I've ever been witness to. However, watching my perfectly healthy 16 year old daughter, go from being a perfectly healthy and state recognised athlete, running about ten miles a day, to not being able to cross the room to get to the bathroom without help, has also been quite horrendous.

And what you may not realize about this so-called wonder drug, is that it only has POSSIBLY a five year window . And you still have to have regular check ups and paps, etc. And those are just as important! This doesn't treat ALL strains of HPV, only a few! And what about the girls that are GETTING HPV because of gardasil?

Look, everyone is entitled to their opinion.Everyone is entitled to make an informed decision about this drug and every other drug. But unless the drug company is being honest and telling us ALL the possible side effects, then we can't make an informed decision, can we?
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Old 02-11-2009, 07:28 AM
 
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[quote=[B]nrfitchett4[/b];7417778] Most juries have people on them I wouldn't trust with a butter knife.[/quote]


Are you for real??? ALL juries are made of ordinary citizens. I may not trust YOU with a butter knife (you sound a little off to me).

Furthermore, I wouldn't have my daughter shot up with something that is primarily used to inflate the revenue of a drug company.
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Old 02-12-2009, 03:48 AM
 
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Actually, vioxx hasn't been pulled. But now they make you aware of the side effects and those that are predisposed to heart issues arent given the drug. My problem with all these drugs is that ALL of the info isn't given. The drug companies only publish or ackowledge what THEY WANT us to know. If all the info is out there and people can make an INFORMED decion, that's fine. But don't tell me the only that can happen is my kid is gonna have a sore arm where she got a shot and then later admit ( which they still haven't) that Oh yeah, you can also develop autoimmune issues, pancreatitis, blindness, heart attacks, strokes, DEATH etc etc.

My point is, don't lie to the American public and tell them something is safe when it clearly isn't. Put the risks, ALL of the risks out there and let us decide.
Vioxx was pulled almost 5 years ago:
Majikthise : Merck pulls Vioxx off the market

please tell me where you are getting it. My shoulder will thank you.
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Old 02-12-2009, 03:49 AM
 
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nrfitchett4[/b];7417778] Most juries have people on them I wouldn't trust with a butter knife.[/quote]


Are you for real??? ALL juries are made of ordinary citizens. I may not trust YOU with a butter knife (you sound a little off to me).

Furthermore, I wouldn't have my daughter shot up with something that is primarily used to inflate the revenue of a drug company.
I'm a little off??? Your funny. Juries that hand out millions of dollars when things don't go exactly the way patients want is crazy. What do you think is killing healthcare in this country?
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Old 02-12-2009, 05:14 AM
 
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I'm a little off??? Your funny. Juries that hand out millions of dollars when things don't go exactly the way patients want is crazy. What do you think is killing healthcare in this country?
That would be YOU'RE, not your.

Juries aren't the ones who designate how much a person gets. They only decide whether or not the person wins the case. It isn't up to a jury to decide an amount.

Furthermore, what is killing healthcare in this country is crooked doctors, a horrendous phamaceutical business, insurance companies that aren't capable of doing their business properly, etc., etc..

You think it's juries killing healthcare??? LOL, YOU'RE funny.

Some things I agree with you on, but this isn't one of them.
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Old 02-12-2009, 06:46 AM
 
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Vioxx was pulled almost 5 years ago:
Majikthise : Merck pulls Vioxx off the market

please tell me where you are getting it. My shoulder will thank you.
I stated my point in the previous post. Don't lie to the American people and tell them a drug / vaccine is safe, when it clearly isn't. Be honest about the side effects and let us make in informed decision. How is that confusing?
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