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Old 02-01-2015, 05:19 PM
 
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The vaccine issue has a remarkable ability to unite people on opposite ends of the political spectrum. It's not just hippie moms.
Okay, let's change that to stupid, 'my-snowflake-is-too-special-to-give-a-cr*p-about-anyone-else' moms.
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Old 02-01-2015, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Here's one for the medical professionals...

Is virus shedding an issue for the injected measles vaccine?
No. Here's some info:
Types of Live Virus Vaccines and Information

There are of course more lengthly explanations as well, but for all intents and purposes, the answer is "no".
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Old 02-01-2015, 05:56 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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No. Here's some info:
Types of Live Virus Vaccines and Information

There are of course more lengthly explanations as well, but for all intents and purposes, the answer is "no".
Thank you very much! I know the inhaled influenza vaccine is a problem, but I wasn't sure about the injected measles vaccine. I had planned to call my insurer's advice line in the morning, but knowing me I'll forget in the a.m. hullabaloo. I will send a reminder to my husband to call his GP to schedule a booster. He's just old enough to have missed the transition to the live attenuated version in the late '60s. Had I been aware of my need for a booster before I started therapy, I would have taken care of it, but the specialist who treats me never mentioned it.
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Old 02-01-2015, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Thank you very much! I know the inhaled influenza vaccine is a problem, but I wasn't sure about the injected measles vaccine. I had planned to call my insurer's advice line in the morning, but knowing me I'll forget in the a.m. hullabaloo. I will send a reminder to my husband to call his GP to schedule a booster. He's just old enough to have missed the transition to the live attenuated version in the late '60s. Had I been aware of my need for a booster before I started therapy, I would have taken care of it, but the specialist who treats me never mentioned it.
A pleasure! Good luck!
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Old 02-01-2015, 07:26 PM
 
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You can have your second measles immunization as early as four weeks after the first. Right now, I'd plan on doing it at 12 months and a month or two later. 95% of people become immune from the first shot. Over 99% are immune after 2nd dose.
It is age dependent, though. Ideally, the first shot would be at 18 months, because more seroconvert then than at 12 months. Unfortunately these non-vaxxing crazies have taken that chance to wait a bit and get a better response away from parents. I would not trust that a child who'd had one at 12 months and one at 13 months was immune. I'd still do the 4yo shot.
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Old 02-02-2015, 10:20 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Since my grandchildren are pushing 40 and my children are drawing on Social Security, I think you can imagine that, in my section of the country, I may have seen a case or two of measles. Yes, I lived in a time of measles.

People are soooo afraid of death now, that they worry too much about it. I date back to when people were still getting smallpox and polio. We worried and breathed a sigh of relief when our children got by with no harm. These diseases were part of life. In all my years, and knowing many people with children. I do not know of a single death from measles. No blindness either. I suspect that these statistics were gathered in an area that suited the researcher's ideas. I doubt that 1 out 20 developed Pneumonia.

Yes, Measles can be dangerous and we should be very careful when it's around.....BUT, statistics do not always tell the whole story. In thinking about my husband and I, our seven brothers and sisters, our own children, and about 25 nieces and nephews, not to mention hundreds of cousins, I do not know of a single death from measles. None of the neighbors, or school mates either. One of my sons wears glasses and his doctor says it may have been from having measles a few months earlier. But he didn't know for sure. He was in the first grade. He may have needed glasses for a few years. Reading makes a difference.
Some of the biggest headaches facing our economy is how to pay for the retirement and medical bills of our seniors. Social security and medicare take huge chunks out of the budget and this is all for a segment of the population that has little to contribute. Wouldn't it be so much easier if this problem would just "go away?"

I hope I was successful in capturing the degree of insensitivity reached by your post where you suggest it's quite okay for kids to die from measles.
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Old 02-02-2015, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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I hope people let these numbers sink in:

2000 - Measles declared eliminated in the United States
Yearly since 2001, the number of cases has topped 100 only five times
2011 - more than 200 cases
2014 - 644 cases
January 2015 - 102 cases to date.

CDC: 102 measles cases in January, most stemming from Disney outbreak - CNN.com
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Old 02-02-2015, 11:29 AM
 
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I think that you and I are on different page in the Book OF Life. Death will come to everyone. Some will be young children. BUT, if you live your life and raise your children to think of death as a fearsome thing....well, I don't know what to say as I know no one that has such a attitude. Children are apt to die at anytime. Some don't even make it out of the womb.

I can't help but think of a cemetery lot next to my grandparents. One couple, with seven children, all less than one year old. If the parents were afraid of death, would they have kept trying?

Being aware of Death and being afraid of Death, are two entirely different things.
Afraid implies hiding from the truth, Aware, means you are careful.
So you think that those parents weren't afraid of death? You think those parents didn't live in fear their babies' first years and pray with every ounce of their beings that their children would be spared?? It isn't about being afraid of death. It is about wanting to make sure you go BEFORE your children.

You make it sound like if a child dies, oh well. Death isn't that big of a deal.
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Old 02-02-2015, 11:42 AM
 
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True, but considering the outbreak is still not that widespread at all and the vast majority of people ARE vaccinated, keeping the baby away from large gatherings of people/kids should be sufficient to protect them. Being out in the fresh air is usually not an issue, it's indoors where it tends to linger. Also, something as simple as keeping them in the stroller and pulling up the hood and/or throwing a light sheet over it will help keep them away from most of the germs - a 10 month old might not approve of that, but that's what I did at under 6 months if I had to go into a mall, store, bus, etc. As it is, your baby is probably at a much higher danger of serious complications from catching the flu.

Mandatory vaccinations would be great, however in our overly politically correct society with the hippie moms rallying their rights to 'belief exemptions', I just don't see it happening any time soon
It isn't just the hippie moms. We DO vaccinate our children, but even I don't want mandatory vaccinations. I want to make the final decision for my children. I am not a person who blindly vaccinates. I vaccinate because I'd never forgive myself if one of my children died because of something I could have prevented from happening.

Even in the cases of the children who are vaccinated but still get sick, in most cases, the people don't get AS sick as they would if they weren't vaccinated. One of my best friends and a cousin are both nurses who have been on scene on several campus outbreaks and they have always maintained that while some of the people who get sick were vaccinated, in EVERY case those people didn't as sick and none of those people died whereas sometimes there were deaths amongst the people who were NOT vaccinated.

Having said that, I am not for the Guardasil vaccine for my children yet and would never be okay with being forced to give it to them.
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Old 02-02-2015, 11:50 AM
 
Location: "Silicon Valley" (part of San Francisco Bay Area, California, USA)
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People who don't vaccinate their kids are putting other people and other kids in danger.
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